Pluto v3.18 now available

Pluto v3.18 is now available, and includes some changes made by Rob Sprowson and myself.

The main changes in Pluto v3.18 from v3.16 are:

• Improved character decoding of Subject (UTF8 & Base64) and Title (UTF8).
• New facility to change the encoding of News posts like Emails.
• Improved attachment display so re-sizable, with small or large icons, or full information.
• Deleted attachments are recorded.
• Iconised windows now have a Pluto icon rather than non-specific.
• Changed User Dictionary editing to avoid possible corruption.
• Many internal changes to continue maintenance improvements.
• Fixed various small problems.
• Avoided double-paste in writable icons when using RISC OS Select, or RISC OS v5.28 or later.
• Avoided possible 128 ZeroPain errors after Mode change.
• Email receipts now consistently use 3 headers.
• Added AntiSpam v1.68 to email transports (when available).

Please see http://www.avisoft.f9.co.uk for full details of changes,and how to download from SourceForge. It will also be available from !Store next week.

There is also a new Pluto Mailing List, replacing the old one on YahooGroups – see Riscository

Pluto is an email and news reader that runs on the RISC OS operating system, written by Jonathan Duddington in 1997 as a commercial product, but in April 2013 Jonathan announced that Pluto v3.06 and eSpeak were released with a GPLv3 licence, and freely available to download from SourceForge, including the source.

Enjoy!

Very nice, using it as my main mail client. Changes are very welcome!

I try Popstar for email transport, but it seems it has no SSL.

Next I try Antispam v 1.68. The problem is that I can only click on AcornSSL Module?. When I click SecureSockets Module? then came a messeage that the module SecureSockets is missing. Where I can find this modul?

Micky

You need the newer AcornSSL, not the old SecureSockets module. See AntiSpam Help → Index → Module ? → AcornSSL for details.
If you are using a recent version of RISC OS (you do not say), you should already have AcornSSL. If not, try the Updater link at the bottom of that help page.
AntiSpam with TLS all works well with Pluto. Any problems, contact me (see Pluto Help for address).

I test it with RPCEmu and Risos 5.28.

It’s a little bit laborious to make the emails working.

Micky

Pluto does not suport IMAP, or does it?

Pluto does not suport IMAP, or does it?

Pluto utilises senders and fetchers, hence the normal use of Antispam as the filtered fetch and PopStar for the send. That’s all SMTP/POP3

IMAP could, potentially, be done with the use of Curl

IMAP could, potentially, be done with the use of Curl

yup, I have been using it for an experimental email client for RO I have been playing for a while last year.

curl --url "imaps://exchange-server-fqdn" -u "user:password -v"

Works with imaps too, so should allow connection to office 365/exchange servers too

HTH

I think Popstar has no SSL. When I try to fetch a email a message came: Please activate SSL.

Micky

POPstar has no SSL/TLS support – indeed it has no active developer supporting it AFAIK.
I would suggest using AntiSpam to fetch using POP, and it’s integrated MSC component to send using SMTP. They both will use AcornSSL for SSL/TLS. It is also actively maintained.

Martin, I send you a email with the Settings file from AntiSpam.

Micky

IMAP with SSL etc is quite easy to implement if you have proper SSL stack. I did a test with that in MorphOS when the new Email client (Iris (not the browser)) came out. I couldn’t use the new client hence my little test. I managed to get my recent emails in a list that fetched bodies if I clicked in it. This was with Gmail.

I did not use IMAP. I think Messenger Pro is much easier to configure.

Micky

Curl gives errors: curl: (1) Unsupportet protocol: imap
imaps

What do i wrong?

This is the problem we have on Risc Os: no email programm, which can do IMAP natively.

That makes it very dificult vor new users.
At least we got a working webbroser: Iris

If you type in a task window,

*curl --version
curl 8.1.2 (arm-unknown-riscos) libcurl/8.1.2 GnuTLS/3.8.0 zlib/1.2.13 c-ares/1.18.1 libssh2/1.10.0 nghttp2/1.52.0
Release-Date: 2023-05-30
Protocols: dict file ftp ftps gopher gophers http https imap imaps mqtt pop3 pop3s rtsp scp sftp smb smbs smtp smtps telnet tftp
Features: alt-svc AsynchDNS HSTS HTTP2 HTTPS-proxy Largefile libz NTLM NTLM_WB SSL TLS-SRP UnixSockets
*

It tells you which protocols are enabled.

At least we got a working webbroser: Iris

Halfway

Yes, but Iris has trouble with a lot of internet sites.

Micky

Now I have a working Pluto except that it did not accept incoming emails. What I must do that these emails are accepted?

Micky

@Micky – I replied to your email yesterday with some suggestions and questions – I have not yet had a reply. Did you get it?

Yes I got it. I answer you tonight, because I have a lot to do.

Micky

What do i wrong?

First, at a guess, you downloaded the older Curl with a Frontender GUI (www.strcprstskrzkrk.co.uk/curl) and that version does not support IMAP (it says as much on the GUI)
You need the one from here at riscos.info

Using the exact syntax the implementation of Curl expects is always a problem, since the help file doesn’t (help)

However, curl —manual will give an extensive amount of information, then it’s a case of following through to the right syntax.

First test, do with IMAP rather than IMAPS – the support is there for both, but I think you probably need to ensure a nice, recent copy of the cert data in your boot

Where the mailserver_FQDN might be IMAP.GMAIL.COM
and user might be ERICHK
the mail domain might be GMAIL.COM
and password might be PASSWORD123

So, for that user on that mail server launch with

curl -url "imap://imap.gmail.com" -u "erichk @ gmail.com:password123" -v

*curl -url "imaps://imap.gmail.com" -u "erichk @ gmail.com:password123" -v
*   Trying 142.251.173.109:993...
* Failed to set TCP_KEEPINTVL on fd 3
* Connected to imap.gmail.com (142.251.173.109) port 993 (#0)
*  CAfile: InetDBase:CertData
*  CApath: none
* TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS handshake, Client hello (1):
* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Server hello (2):
* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Encrypted Extensions (8):
* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Certificate (11):
* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, CERT verify (15):
* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Finished (20):
* TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS change cipher, Change cipher spec (1):
* TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS handshake, Finished (20):
* SSL connection using TLSv1.3 / TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
* Server certificate:
*  subject: CN=imap.gmail.com
*  start date: Nov 20 08:08:35 2023 GMT
*  expire date: Feb 12 08:08:34 2024 GMT
*  subjectAltName: host "imap.gmail.com" matched cert's "imap.gmail.com"
*  issuer: C=US; O=Google Trust Services LLC; CN=GTS CA 1C3
*  SSL certificate verify ok.
* response reading failed
* Closing connection 0
* TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS alert, close notify (256):
curl: (56) response reading failed

There you go, a connection, into the gmail IMAP server (using IMAPS), which unsurprisingly failed to connect to an account due to either an incorrect username, or password or both :)
However, the certificates are fine, and it looks like it happily did a TLS1.3 connect.

Edit Fighting textile with the mail address element – remove the spaces from it for what you actually enter

EDIT2 Include a no-keepalive:

*curl -url "imaps://imap.gmail.com" -u "erichk @ gmail.com:password123" --no-keepalive -v 

*   Trying 173.194.76.109:993...
* Connected to imap.gmail.com (173.194.76.109) port 993 (#0)
*  CAfile: InetDBase:CertData
*  CApath: none
* TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS handshake, Client hello (1):
* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Server hello (2):
* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Encrypted Extensions (8):
* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Certificate (11):
* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, CERT verify (15):
* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Finished (20):
* TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS change cipher, Change cipher spec (1):
* TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS handshake, Finished (20):
* SSL connection using TLSv1.3 / TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
* Server certificate:
*  subject: CN=imap.gmail.com
*  start date: Nov 20 08:08:35 2023 GMT
*  expire date: Feb 12 08:08:34 2024 GMT
*  subjectAltName: host "imap.gmail.com" matched cert's "imap.gmail.com"
*  issuer: C=US; O=Google Trust Services LLC; CN=GTS CA 1C3
*  SSL certificate verify ok.
* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Newsession Ticket (4):
* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Newsession Ticket (4):
* old SSL session ID is stale, removing
< * OK Gimap ready for requests from 86.162.168.117 l18mb83565926wmq
> A001 CAPABILITY
< * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 XYZZY SASL-IR AUTH=XOAUTH2 AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN AUTH=OAUTHBEARER
< A001 OK Thats all she wrote! l18mb83565926wmq
> A002 AUTHENTICATE PLAIN AHRlc3RhY2N0QGdtYWlsLmNvbQB0ZXN0cGFzcw==
< A002 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid credentials (Failure)
* Closing connection 0
* TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS alert, close notify (256):
curl: (67) Login denied

Definite improvement.

Thank you.

I was using curl v7.11 ( with gui).

I will try tomorrow with the one from riscos.info

The Risc OS Info version is the CLI tool only, so you need a little bit of hackery replacing the curl app file.

Or just run the new version and open a task window to launch the curl command, once you are in, and it replies with a list of the mail folders then comes the fun part finding the specific IMAP command strings.