YTPlay V3.10RC1

Have upload a new RC version. Hope anyone find the time to try before I upload to Store.

The main improvement is a second download option via search list.
Select click to a search result will start the play process.
Adjust click will download.
Adjust + [Shift] will send the URL to ffmpeg and convert the audio stream to mp3 “on the fly”. id3tags for title, artist, cover (a YTPlay own cover “art”) will be set.
For the mp3 converting you should use the latest ffmpeg from https://www.riscosports.co.uk/eabi/

The latest YTPlay you find here.

Hi Raik,

Thanks for the update.

Re- MP3 then a suitable copyright disclaimer should be placed on that functionality as it could mean users are blocked by their ISP in future and obviously given the legal situation with youtube-dl late last year, and renewed legal action by copyright holders, it’s use should be best avoided in my opinion.

obviously given the legal situation with youtube-dl late last year

As I understand it, they were giving examples of how to rip music off YouTube. That was the primary complaint.

Because… a tool that downloads something that is publicly available? Might be against the terms of YouTube, but it’s hardly illegal.

and renewed legal action by copyright holders

It’s a never ending game of whack a mole.

Maybe one day they will understand that “if prices are reasonable, people won’t object to paying”. Netflix is doing quite well. I wonder how well cinemas will recover in the future given that a month of basic Netflix is less than watching one film on the big screen (and if the film on Netflix sucks, just give up on it and find another).

And maybe they will also understand that an amount of piracy generates sales. Yes, there are those who will never pay, they’re a lost cause. However some stuff I originally ripped off YouTube, I’ve later gone and bought the album. Some, indeed, are groups I probably wouldn’t have discovered if it wasn’t for people uploading stuff to YouTube.

it’s use should be best avoided in my opinion.

In my opinion, if there’s something you like on YouTube, rip it as you can’t guarantee it’ll be there tomorrow.
And if you really like it, do the decent and buy the album on a real shiny spinny disc.
(and be aware that the majority amount of the purchase price goes to the label, the artist usually gets a pittance, so now you can see why the labels are making the endless noise (remember “home taping is killing music”?))

as it could mean users are blocked by their ISP in future

How is an ISP supposed to know that the YouTube stream being sent to your device is subsequently being converted to an MP3?

I can understand an ISP blocking an entire domain known for piracy – it’s probably hard to access whatever the pirate bay has turned into, however…

• Them analysing what I download on the premise that I “might” be downloading unlawful content is not only an invasion of privacy…
• …never mind the question of how they’d know what I did with that data after it had been downloaded…
• …it’s also an extremely dubious situation – if they are content to check and verify what I access, do they therefore accept responsibility for the things that they let through?
• Not to mention the obvious possibility of penalising multiple people for the actions of one, something that could be important now that a lot of work and education is taking place remotely.

Apart from addresses the government demands be blocked, an ISP really ought to just be a dumb pipe. That’s not to say that they cannot disclose that “this client connected to this IP address at this time” on receipt of a legitimate request, however it is not their job to be “internet police”.

As such, I feel that the idea that your ISP might cut you off because you might have made an MP3 of something you watched on YouTube…to be FUD.

ISP might cut you off because you might have made an MP3 of something you watched on YouTube…to be FUD.

Agree to some extent and FUD is really all part of the initial cease and desist type approach they use as it saves them money on doing real investigations.

They are going after companies and individuals that facilitate the storing and distribution capability of copyrighted material and hence whilst highly unlikely that someone would be interested in little old us it could happen as it is public that one of the options happens to facilitate this.

I understand your position and taped/record material is a good point and you can make a back up of material for personal use as I understand it.

Youtube could have pressure brought to bear from content owners where they have to disclose those who have used other than the official means to access their material.

Sometimes getting at low hanging fruit is an easy way to get their message accross and discourage others.

Thanks for the feedback.
Have checked any juristical statements about youtube downloads.
In Germany it is allowed to made a copy for private use. Comparable to record music from radio and videos from television. There is a surcharge on the purchase price for data carriers from which the rights holders are paid. But I am not sure about the legal situation in other countries. I will include a corresponding disclaimer.

As I understand it, they were giving examples of how to rip music off YouTube.

In detail I not rip audio. I use format 140. Is an supported “audio only” stream.

Here in France there’s a levy applied to pretty much everything digital. If my next phone has 64GB memory onboard, €12 of the cost is a levy. Ditto tablets. USB sticks are priced per GB (4-8GB at €0,13/GB). Memory cards are for some reason cheaper (about half the cost of USB sticks). A harddisc under 5TB has a flat €6 fee applied. A harddisc is an internal one, and external one, an SSD, or a NAS. An MP3 walkman or similar player includes a levy that is quite steep – over 8GB it is €1/GB up to a maximum of €32. €1,29 for an E180 video tape, and €0,43 for a C90 cassette tape. €0,35 per 700MB CD, €0,90 per 4.7GB DVD. If you had a TV or satellite decoder with an 80GB harddisc inside (like the original Sky+), then the levy on that is €16.50. (details from www.copiefrance.fr)

Personal copies are possible for copying something already on a device to a different device used purely by that person (hence, “private copying”), provided that it doesn’t jeopardise normal use of the work (such as a loss of sales), and the rights holder is able to apply technical measures to restrict the number of copies, but they can’t deprive people their right to make their legitimate copies.

It’s French law 2006-961 (1st August 2006) which is based upon European Directive 2001/29/EC.

Note: IANAL!

Of course, ripping music from YouTube is hardly legitimate, but then the majority of stuff that I have <cough> watched </cough> wasn’t uploaded by the rights holder either.

Two wrongs don’t make a right, but they do make a ~8MB file on my phone and from time to time a CD sale, so I guess it all balances out in the end.

Latest RC2 you find here.

Any reason why i would suddenly have no sound with YTPlay?

Hi Chris,

YTPlay RC2 works here on my ARMX6 with sound using both ffmpeg and mplayer.

You don’t say what option you have set and what happens if you change the option,.

Assuming you have mplayer and ffmpeg installed on your machine then adujst click on the YTplay icon on the icon bar and check /alter from there and don’t forget to save/quit/restart to make sure the option chnage is completed.

Also what is the default format 22 or 18 etc.

I have tried both ffmpeg and mplayer, i also made sure everything was up to date, 3.01 was the same but hoped it would be fixed.

Trying ffmpeg on it’s own i get SDL_OpenAudio errors, no more combinations to try

Pi 4 4GB
RISC OS 5.29 16 Feb 2021

YTPlay has nothig to do with sound. It build a bridge between any tools… at the end of the process I create a playlistfile and “send” it to FFPlay or MPlayer.
It needs the latest player. The older one can not handle the stream.

FFPlay
http://riscos.openpandora.org/Diverses/Videohokupokus/ffplayetc.zip

MPlayer:
https://www.riscosports.co.uk/eabi

FFMPEG to create an mp3 file
https://www.riscosports.co.uk/eabi

If you run FFPlay and drop a mediafile to the iconbar icon, it should play with sound.

YTPlay and the stuff around needs also
LibFFI6
LibBZ2-1.0
LibSSL
ZLib1g
SharedUnixLibrary 1.16
ARMEABISupport 1.00
SOManager 3.01

I have installed it on a Pi4 4GB fresh card with no problems.

There’s also DRenderer that needs to be installed.

It’s the module that handles the OSS audio device in UnixLIb.

It can occasionally cause sound to stop being output.

Normally ‘rmreinit digitalrenderer’ will get audio working again without having to reboot.

Super responses today! Chris Gransden is the winner :) DRenderer was the issue! thanks guys

Have uploade a YTPlay-package-test-version.
Drop it to a running PackMan. Should install also all the package dependencies.
Additionals needed… ffplay and ffmpeg/mplayer.
Please not forget to restart your computer after installing.
After YTPlay first start, before you can use, please install youtube-de and youtube-search via ytplay-configure (Adjust click to the iconbar icon).

Have uploade a YTPlay-package-test-version.

Looks good. I did notice there’s no ‘Components’ line in the Control file. This allows installation to any location or to be moved after installation.

Components: Apps.Youtube.!YTPlay (Movable).

Otherwise the ‘anti-paxers’ will be out in force. :-)

If you only drag the youtube URL e.g. from Netsurf to the iconbar icon or only use select click with or without [shift] only the video URL will be stored in a temporally playlist file. The playlist file will be given to the player. The video will not be stored.

Did you actually read the terms, David?

Just fired up a US proxy in order to get the terms that ought to apply to you (rather than French because of my IP address), and these three parts stand out:

• You are not allowed to: access, reproduce, download, distribute, transmit, broadcast, display, sell, license, alter, modify or otherwise use any part of the Service or any Content except: (a) as specifically permitted by the Service; (b) with prior written permission from YouTube and, if applicable, the respective rights holders; or (c ) as permitted by applicable law;

And:

• Licence to YouTube
  By providing Content to the Service, you grant to YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, transferable, sublicensable licence to use that Content (including to reproduce, distribute, modify, display and perform it) for the purpose of operating, promoting, and improving the Service.

And finally:

• Licence to Other Users
  You also grant each other user of the Service a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free licence to access your Content through the Service, and to use that Content (including to reproduce, distribute, modify, display, and perform it) only as enabled by a feature of the Service.

What it is basically saying is that by uploading your content to YouTube, you are granting them a bunch of rights to use your material in the way necessary in order to provide the service, and that you also agree to allow other users similar rights in order that they may use the service.
Additionally, the big “thou shalt not” bit (the first one) includes specific exemptions on the things that cannot be done in order to have the service work.

Plus, in any sane jurisdiction (which we know the US isn’t), there will be a special exemption embedded in copyright laws in order to permit the technical act of copying as is necessary in order to make use of the content – for example a program needs to be “loaded” (copied into memory) in order to run it. Any anti-shock CD player makes partial copies of music in a memory buffer. And depending on how literal you want to be, every CD player copies the bitstream from the disc to some sort of DAC on its way to your lugholes.

So, IANAL but it seems reasonably clear to me that it is permitted to make technically necessary copies of YouTube content in order to enjoy the service.

They just don’t want people downloading stuff wholesale. Not that that’s ever stopped anyone…

Not sure what you mean. Win and Linux are buffers the stream.
Murnong, I’m not sure but ffplay and mplayer fails if streambuffering is needed.
Any times I have a very slow connection, than I have a very slow output …

and it ended up making it to court. Also look at the cases settled out of court, etc.

Well, given that it is America we’re talking about, it is well known that the law is exactly proportionally flexible according to how well paid the lawyers are.
Generally speaking, a big corporate can get what they want by dragging out a legal team that would make a junior lawyer pee in fright. And assuming they don’t advise their client to “settle immediately and book the next flight to Mexico”, the next trick is to make it a big important case in the hope that the dollar value will either dissuade (or bankrupt) the other party.

Who is right and who is wrong is immaterial.

And if it is two corporates? Well, then appeal and keep appealing until the desired result arrives (and hope the other party is so sick and tired of the whole thing that they don’t then immediately appeal).

And as for damages? The slightest little thing is irreparable harm that can only be sated by a payout larger than the GDP of Belgium.

Justice? In there somewhere. Maybe.

That all being said, for you making technically necessary copies of the data in order to watch the videos on a system that isn’t directly supported by the company… I doubt anybody will notice, never mind complain.

I watch pretty much all of my YouTube content using NewPipe on my phone. I avoid the Android app because it is often pretty clear that they are monitoring what I watch in order to make suggestions of what I should watch next even though I have specifically disabled viewing history in order to not have this happen.
By using a third party app, what I watch is anonymous, so if I want to spend an hour watching really stupid things caught on dashcams, then I can without thinking that it’ll suggest that sort of stuff for months afterwards.

And assuming they don’t advise their client to “settle immediately and book the next flight to Mexico”,

MTG defence: It wasn’t me, other people do stuff on my account and I can’t be held responsible.
Hey, it seemed to work for her.

This archive
contains the latest improvements (other video portals like BitChut, DailyMotion, Vimeo), any bugfixes and a “lite” Version without search and download parts. “Watching only” via Drag&Drop the URL.

Hi Raik,

Thanks for the update and the extra goody, in YTPlayIt, as well.

Both work here on my ARMX6, 5.29 and I have updated successfully to the latest youtube-dl as well.

Have tested YTPlayIt briefly on Pi4 (5.28), it worked normally dragging and dropping Netsurf YouTube URLs. I’ll do more testing on it and the latest YTPlay over the next few days.
EDIT: I haven’t updated youtube-dl.