Initial fireside chat - RISC OS Community

Is that literal – ie only sound output?

No, I could see too!

But on the contrary, be aware that if you just throw together some crap that works to go back later and redo it, said crap will be present in released software because there will be so many other things to do that you’ll never go back unless there’s an actual bug that needs fixed.

Curried keyboard! Yes, yes, yes! Seen a lot of that, and not just my own. You can see a lot of my own on the RISCOS section of my website.

But the whole of Rick’s piece just above, ABSOmewLUTELY!

Incidentally,

don’t be afraid to walk away and do something else for a while

is why you won’t find me at the fireside chat, very rarely at anything happening at a pre-arranged time. I spend at least 50% of my time doing “something else”, on an almost entirely unpredictable schedule. Everything I do is “something else” from the perspective of something else. I find it very hard to understand how anyone else manages not to work like that.

Ah, I’m a bit disappointed I missed this, although I’m still trying to come to grips with the Toolbox and I’m feeling less confident than usual when I’m trying to learn a new platform. But maybe there will be a future thing.

I’m contemplating another informal coding meetup- a fireside chat, starting at 7:30 pm on Saturday, 17th of December.

If you are interested in coming along, feel free to DM me on ChatCube, Twitter or Toot, or send an email using the link at the bottom of the page for the Zoom meeting details. Our friends at ROUGOL are providing hosting.

It’s an unstructured friendly meetup, so if you have burning questions or feel like saying something about the project you are working on.

Come and join in.

@ everyone

I am afraid to have to inform that, given the complete lack of collaboration from Andrew, the Coding on RISC OS project is no longer associated with his effort. I apologise for this, but it’s just not feasible to have these things organised at the last minute as it’s really hard to put together all the forlks with the knwoledge, track all people’s requests etc.

The Coding on RISC OS initiative is still going and the first meeting will be held on january 21st 2023, with demoing multiple ways to use git with RISC OS and getting the code.

It will be followed by other meetings with the beginning of the requested mini-courses on coding on RISC OS and recording of such sections in order to facilitate access to it to everyone (included who cannot attend the meetings live).

There are plenty of people already working on their presentations and there are going to be exciting news.

As always please keep providing the great feedback as you’ve done so far.

Thanks.

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It’s an unstructured friendly meetup

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as it’s really hard to put together all the forlks with the knwoledge, track all people’s requests etc.

Are you not overthinking this?

A friendly meetup doesn’t need a written and rehearsed presentation.
It’s, you know, some guys (non-gender-specific) sitting around a virtual camp fire shooting the breeze. The very antithesis of formal presentations.

Both, the fireside chat and your coding tutorials, have their place and hopefully audience/participants. They can stand alongside the real life meetings and the official shows as ways this little community can interact and progress.

Surely it’s better to augment and support each other than to have fractures and divisions?

Surely it’s better to augment and support each other than to have fractures and divisions?

Is that floating point fractures and divisions, implemented in hardware?

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Surely it’s better to augment and support each other than to have fractures and divisions?

I totally agree Rick, I have sent emails to Andrew in order to make sure things would be supportive, never got an answer (since november).

Are you not overthinking this?

Throwing last minute requests will unavoidably result in people missing the event and/or feeling excluded, I do not want that to happen and surelly I don’t want all my work to be associated with that type of feelings/situations.

As an example, with stardot we have wonderfuly organised coding meetings for which we have predefined dates that allow everyone to organise themselves during a month. They are informal, fun and rich of actually impressive achievements (especially on the BBC Micro and ZX Spectrum side) of people doing everything for fun. The randomnes isn’t a good thing, I am also expecting quite a few people to have Christmas things going on, families, company dinners, friends coming over at home etc. so don’t want to have to make them to decide.

And finally quite a few on previous meeting mentioned they would not be available during holidays time, me included.

As a final note, I don’t want this to look as a criticism to Andrew, he does things the way he feels like is good for him, but he is surelly not wanting to work together, so I think this is best for him too.

I am afraid to have to inform that, given the complete lack of collaboration from Andrew, the Coding on RISC OS project is no longer associated with his effort. I apologise for this, but it’s just not feasible to have these things organised at the last minute as it’s really hard to put together all the forlks with the knwoledge, track all people’s requests etc.

Why not simply treat this a described “friendly meetup”
A social event with a bit of technical chat, maybe.

Some years ago I chaired a branch of an organisation dear to my heart (well, more mouth and stomach) which was at the time struggling to maintain its existence.
I instituted a regular meeting schedule (every Tuesday), 1st Tuesday business, 2nd Tuesday monthly award event, … (drop in an out of area event on the 5th Tuesday)

My framework had two stipulations: A meeting every week, and the first Tuesday was business, the rest was up to the social secretary and assistants.

For my sins, it took me years to get someone else to take on the mantle of steering the increasing size flock of cats.

For the RO world, perhaps a meeting every month, or one every two, for business (coding) and chat after and fill in on the gaps every month/fortnight/week with chat with a bit of almost business.

To put things into context, I came up with an idea and organised a meetup; it went well, and I started to arrange another in the same way I’d done before. So the next thing I see is global messages on Twitter, chatcube and here, not one private message to say have you seen the email I sent you?

(public chatcube message) Andrew, it would be best if you try to coordinate. I am tracking people’s request, but you don’t seem much interested in collborating on this(sorry), we can’t have informal meet ups organised at the last minute, where people make requests that gets untracked, and where you seem to want to drive on your own. This type of things requires some coordination and coding knwoledge. It’s not easy to get the people with the right knowledge together. (edited)
Maybe it would be a good idea if we split this effort and you drive on some sort of general meetings?
BTW you still did not answer my email with the requests that came from few people, could you please check it, thanks. (edited)

I embarked on this to create a warm, friendly, inclusive social group for RISC OS developers, including makers looking to learn, share knowledge and have a bit of fun.

If people want to join in, beginner or expert, okay. As you know, there’s no pressure to talk, everyone is welcome, and the option to chat and reach out to others is available at these meetings, including break-out rooms.

Come and join in. :)

To put things into context, I came up with an idea and organised a meetup;

Not trying to criticise, but technically who asked ROUGOL to help with the meetings (and Bryan agreed), collected all the initial feedback on here and on other socials, is actually me, but it’s ok.

So the next thing I see is global messages on Twitter, chatcube and here, not one private message to say have you seen the email I sent you?

I have been busy dealing with all the issue that come from the lost of my mum, but still asked you on twitter to share the feedback you’ve collected if anyone actually sent you anything private, but no answer. Sent you an email with all the feedback I have collected especially the private feedback, but no answer again.

Now, the problem is not your behaviour, which I do not care much about, the problem is that you clearly do not want to collaborate and seems not even listening to the feedback of people.

Most people have asked for videos, possibly short and well scripted to make the learning process easy. This has nothing to do with meetings of any form and sort.

Also, all the requests on the previous meeting were about basic courses (you included asked for things like “how to compile code on RISC OS”).

So, here the needs seems to be more on short and basic courses, which I’ll take care of at this point, hopefully someone will want to help with the load.

If you want to carry on with your way of doing things, please feel free to, I just wanted to make it clear I am no longer involved with that, but I’ll make sure that all the requested mini courses will be released on youtube for people to START learning how to code on RISC OS.

Meetings != Tutorials.
There’s a place for both.

As for your mom, been there, done that. I still “talk” to her, even though there’s nobody there……..

Meetings != Tutorials.

Indeed.

My point is very simple, with lack of communication it’s impossible to organise all the work. It’s a very simple concept.

The reason I had to make it clear I don’t want to be involved anymore with the meeting things, is because also on iconbar it was posted that there was me behind the meeting organisation, so I wanted to make it clear I am not anymore.

I’ll continue to work on the tutorials side, which is what pretty much everyone has asked for (this doesn’t mean people wouldn’t enjoy a meeting and I was not implying that either).

There’s a place for both.

There is a place for everything, so again, my post is only about making it clear I am no longer involved and why.

As for your mom, been there, done that.

Thanks, appreciate your comment. I was lucky to have wonderful parents, so obviously it’s hard.

Thanks, appreciate your comment. I was lucky to have wonderful parents, so obviously it’s hard.

Take a while, do anything, it fades, sort of.¹
Never say never about the things you have done and may again.

¹ My father died in 1998. Described by a friend of mine as my “best friend and father”

as my “best friend and father”

This. So very bloody much.
Mom was the only person that really “got” me. She understood my entire history (obviously), so if I said something that seemed really weird, she was the one to make the connection to something that happened forty years ago.
Plus, we had the sort of relationship where we could easily finish each others sentences.

Never say never about the things you have done and may again.

On the other hand, if you had a close relationship, be prepared for a whole lot of things to just feel completely wrong in her absence. There’s a lot of stuff mom and I used to do that I just don’t. Doing it by myself, it isn’t the same, I’d just rather not.

Yes, I know those emotions and experiences all too well.

Knowing privately what had happened, I did offer to present the agenda offered, but in the end, it wasn’t needed.

I should add that I haven’t received any collated feedback.

The reason I had to make it clear I don’t want to be involved anymore with the meeting things, is because also on iconbar it was posted that there was me behind the meeting organisation, so I wanted to make it clear I am not anymore.

I’ll continue to work on the tutorials side, which is what pretty much everyone has asked for (this doesn’t mean people wouldn’t enjoy a meeting and I was not implying that either).

So where does this leave the plan for the next fireside chat and tutorial session on 21st January 2023?

So where does this leave the plan for the next fireside chat and tutorial session on 21st January 2023?

I can’t speak for what Andrew wants to do.

For the tutorials, I think it’s best to pre-record them and release them on YouTube, eventually you could use a meeting for questions. The majority of the feedback I have received requested recorded and well scripted tutorials, easy to understand and available on YouTube to either watch them there or be downloaded via youtube-dl.

During the last meeting the idea of making short videos was also valued a lot. My original plan was to prepare all the presentations and then chop them into multiple videos, for example:

1) Using git on Linux for RISC OS code
2) Using git on Window for RISC OS code
3) Using !SimpleGit on RISC OS

etc.

Also pre-recording would help with every possible problem that may happen when using each tool.

If you guys want, we can work together on making them all happen. Up to you and no problem at all if it’s not confortable.

I just can’t do stuff were communication doesn’t work, we have all seen what has happened between ROOL and ROD with the network stack, so I don’t want to be chapter 2 of that series.

Also pre-recording would help with every possible problem that may happen when using each tool.

On the other hand, doing it live is when every possible problem will manifest themselves. ;)

I just can’t do stuff were communication doesn’t work

Sounds like we’re already there.

Note this part:

I should add that I haven’t received any collated feedback.

Clearly something has gone astray. But, then, I’ve already pointed out that an informal meeting isn’t a prepared tutorial. You’re actually both talking about different things…?

The understanding I have from the last meetup, people offered to present and committed to 21st Jan – so working on that basis, we should continue as planned.

If people pull out, change their minds or feel like doing it offline, then why not.

As we know, doing stuff online has its risks, offline not so much; I can attest to that as I encountered a blue screen at the last meeting.

It should be acceptable if people know when things are being recorded; I’ll also ask what people think at the next meetup.

Seeing how to use Git in real-time has benefits, which may create a good vibe.

These things can be discussed if the presenters can make it and want to come to the next meetup.

All is good here for the 17th Dec and the 21st Jan.