RISC OS Open: Forum: Otter Browser and QupZilla

Apr 2, 2017 9:47am

George T. Greenfield (154) 748 posts

Sometimes changing the User Agent can help IME; might be worth a try.

Apr 2, 2017 10:09am

John Williams (567) 768 posts

Pretending to be Chrome didn’t help the resolutely resistant dialogue boxes!

But thanks once more for caring!

May 31, 2017 7:18pm

Raik (463) 2059 posts

I search but I have not found in forum… Maybe I not use the “right words”…

How can I use “AltGr” chars like @, € and so on in browser textfields … e.g. if I need access via e-mail address?

Jun 1, 2017 6:42am

Chris Hall (132) 3554 posts

& euro ; = € or do you mean something else?

Jun 1, 2017 7:05am

Raik (463) 2059 posts

The main problem was/is, I can not login with Otter/Qupzilla (RISC OS) if I need somthing like mail@provider.de . “@” “[AltGr]+[Q]” and other chars like “€” “[AltGr]+[E]”, “µ” “[AltGr]+[M]”… are missing. I have try to login at PayPal and ROOL with German and UK keyboard and “WEB language”. Have also try via !Chars. Maybe I have set a wrong “char-code”.
Netsurf can handle this Chars but not the PayPal login.
With Otter and Qubzilla in Linux it is working.

Jun 1, 2017 11:51am

Phil Spiegelhalter (1585) 13 posts

A simple workaround would be to use ‘!Chars’ ?

Jun 1, 2017 3:45pm

Raik (463) 2059 posts

No. Was one of the first things I try…

Oct 22, 2017 4:10pm

Chris Gransden (337) 1202 posts

There’s a updated versionn of Otter Browser available.

First download resources.zip from here. Just merge the !Boot folder to update.
The resources.zip file contains everything needed to run Otter Browser. If you haven’t installed it before you’ll
also need to copy the !UnixFC and !UnixFont folder to somewhere convenient. They must be ‘seen’ before Otter Browser
runs otherwise no text will appear in the browser window.
Then download the updated Otter Browser from here. Just copy the !Otter-browser folder over your existing one.
The included otter.conf file contains a few changed defaults mainly to make it run as fast as possible. e.g. Javascript,
Content Blocking and the Disk Cache are turned off.

For a bit of extra speed once everything is set up is to add the ‘—readonly’ option to the !Run file. This helps to speed up
page loading. When using this option any settings changed in the session will be lost as soon as the browser is quit.

The default language for menus is set to en_GB. To change to another language click on ‘Help→Switch Application Language’
and browse to the resources/translations folder in !Otter-Browser or just change the existing path.
Text entry is still limited to ASCII characters.

This update is a build of Otter Browser as of 22nd September 2017. The changes can be seen at http://otter-browser.org.

Oct 24, 2017 10:11am

David R. Lane (77) 766 posts

I have just tried this new version and nothing happens apart from the clock stopping for around 20 seconds.
I find a report in the debug file as follows.

[q_mkdtemp:147:/linux4/gccsdkqt5vfp/build/Qt5Base/qtbase-opensource-src-5.5.0/src/corelib/io/qtemporarydir.cpp]: Warning: Calling mktemp instead of mkdtemp

Fatal signal received: Illegal Instruction

Stack backtrace:

Running thread 0×7aa10c (Main Thread)
( 119bf34) pc: 571751cc lr: 571756ac sp: 119bf38 __write_backtrace()
( 119bfa0) pc: 571753e0 lr: 571772f8 sp: 119bfa4 __unixlib_raise_signal()
( 119bfb0) pc: 571771ac lr: 575dbb5c sp: 1199688 __h_cback()

Register dump at 0119bfb4: a1: 85c4c4 a2: 11996c0 a3: 11996bc a4: 11 v1: 959eb6c v2: 8763dc v3: 1 v4: 11996cc v5: 7971f4 v6: 85c4c0 sl: 109b208 fp: 11996a0 ip: 85c1f8 sp: 1199688 lr: 575dbb5c pc: 575dcb74 cpsr: 20000110 575dcb60 : .@ŵå : e5824000 : STR R4,[R2,#0] 575dcb64 : .0†å : e59c3018 : LDR R3,[R12,#24] 575dcb68 : ..Sã : e3530000 : CMP R3,#0 575dcb6c : p¨.. : 091ba870 : LDMEQDB R11,{R4-R6,R11,R13,PC} 575dcb70 : .ó0ç : e730f314 : UDIV R0,R4,R3 ; ARMv7 or later 575dcb74 : ›@`à : e0604093 : MLS R0,R3,R0,R4 ; ARMv6T2 or later 575dcb78 : . †å : e59c2004 : LDR R2,[R12,#4] 575dcb7c : .1‹ç : e7923100 : LDR R3,[R2,R0,LSL #2] 575dcb80 : ..ŵà : e0820100 : ADD R0,R2,R0,LSL #2 ( 11996a0) pc: 575dcb28 lr: 575dbb5c sp: 11996a4 QHash<int, QString>::findNode(int const&, unsigned int*) const ( 11996f4) pc: 575db840 lr: 575d8610 sp: 11996f8 QSvgIconEngine::addFile(QString const&, QSize const&, QIcon::Mode, QIcon::State) ( 119971c) pc: 575d85a0 lr: 566e247c sp: 1199720 QSvgIconPlugin::create(QString const&) ( 1199760) pc: 566e218c lr: 566e272c sp: 1199764 QIcon::addFile(QString const&, QSize const&, QIcon::Mode, QIcon::State) ( 119977c) pc: 566e26fc lr: 16de44 sp: 1199780 QIcon::QIcon(QString const&) ( 11997dc) pc: 16dca4 lr: 5c88c sp: 11997e0 Otter::ThemesManager::createIcon(QString const&, bool) ( 119a50c) pc: 536b8 lr: 5f8a0 sp: 119a510 Otter::ActionsManager::ActionsManager(QObject*) ( 119a530) pc: 5f85c lr: 86a6c sp: 119a534 Otter::ActionsManager::createInstance() ( 119ab78) pc: 83770 lr: 48b60 sp: 119ab7c Otter::Application::Application(int&, char**) ( 119aed4) pc: 48404 lr: 5718c030 sp: 119aed8 main()

Oct 24, 2017 11:22am

Frederick Bambrough (1372) 837 posts

I have just tried this new version and nothing happens apart from the clock stopping for around 20 seconds.

Same here. Drive lamps flash for a while then zilch. BB -xM.

Oct 24, 2017 11:29am

Andrew Rawnsley (492) 1443 posts

I, too, was coming to report the same thing (same backtrace in “debug”).

I have tried removing/replacing the Qt5 choices folder just in case it was a config problem, and also fresh !SharedLibs etc. No joy.

From the error message, I’d guess it is trying to create a temporary file/folder somewhere, and failing. Just not sure what or where.

Oct 24, 2017 11:50am

Jeffrey Lee (213) 6048 posts

The snippet of disassembly in David’s post contains this, which suggests that some or all of the code was compiled for Cortex-A7/A15/A53.

UDIV R0,R4,R3 ; ARMv7 or later

Oct 24, 2017 11:58am

Andrew Rawnsley (492) 1443 posts

Well spotted Jeffrey :)

Oct 24, 2017 6:11pm

Chris Mahoney (1684) 2165 posts

Which explains why it seemed to work correctly on my ARMv8!

Oct 24, 2017 8:05pm

Chris Gransden (337) 1202 posts

I only tested on Titanium and Pi3 so didn’t spot some plugins compiled with ARMv7 (Cortex-a7) only.
Go to the

 !Boot.Resources.!SharedLibs.lib.abi-2/0.vfp.Qt.plugins.platforms.imageformats

folder and delete the following files,

libqdds/so
libqicns/so
libqjp2/so
libqmng/so
libqtga/so
libqtiff/so
libqtraw/so
libqwbmp/so
libqwebp/so

Also delete the iconengines folder in the same folder as imageformats.

They’ve also been deleted from the resources.zip download.

Oct 24, 2017 9:24pm

Chris Hall (132) 3554 posts

It doesn’t seem to do anything on my Titanium – no errors, no icon bar icon. Just busy for a few seconds then nothing has appeared.

Oct 24, 2017 11:49pm

Frederick Bambrough (1372) 837 posts

folder and delete the following files,

Presume libqtraw/so

Works and this is written on it. Don’t think I’ll make a habit of it. :-)

Oct 26, 2017 4:27pm

David R. Lane (77) 766 posts

I have deleted all the files stated by Chris Gransden and it makes no difference on my Pandaboard.

Oct 27, 2017 3:32am

Norman Lawrence (3005) 172 posts

Works on my Titanium and loading up the start up web page seems much faster. Thanks Chris for continuing to improve the user experience.

Oct 27, 2017 6:53am

David Pitt (3386) 1248 posts

Works on my Titanium.

It takes about 13s to start. There is no icon bar icon and any errors may appear in !Otter-browser.debug.

Oct 27, 2017 10:07am

Chris Hall (132) 3554 posts

There is no icon bar icon and any errors may appear in !Otter-browser.debug.

No icon bar icon, no visible errors and thus no window on screen. That’s not working in my book.

Oct 28, 2017 7:11pm

Dave Higton (1515) 3497 posts

I’ve installed the latest version of OtterBrowser, following the instructions, on my BBxM (which has an SSD). So far, all it has done is single-task the machine for over 35 minutes, with continuous disc activity.

At what point do I decide that something is broken and pull the plug?

Oct 28, 2017 7:30pm

Rick Murray (539) 13806 posts

At what point do I decide that something is broken and pull the plug?

Don’t pull the plug, especially if it’s doing disc stuff. Try Alt-Break to force kill it.

However – do you have many fonts? The very first time I started Otter (the original) it took an embarrassingly long time to get started → https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/1/topics/3599#posts-46052
I mean, seriously, NetSurf scans my fonts in about a minute (I have three Unicode with Asian etc) and it lets me know what’s going on. What the hell takes Otter so long!?!?! Nine and a half minutes on my Pi for first start.

There’s a RAMdisc trick that might work, follow the thread I linked to. Though, be warned – things that use downloadable fonts may freak out Otter. A few messages down in the linked thread I got a fonts.gstatic link and… Went, had a bath, came back an hour and a half later, Otter (or UnixFC) was still busy.
Hmm.

Give it a while longer, and then try killing it nicely. Only pull the plug as a very last resort.

Oct 28, 2017 7:43pm

Rick Murray (539) 13806 posts

PS: Now I have a Pi2 and enough memory to actually use it, I have Otter installed, but I don’t use it much. The font rendering is… somewhat lacking¹, kind of like Windows XP before they released ClearType… Is there a setting I should fiddle with? I just find the font rendering in NetSurf better for reading anything of length.

¹ I think this ought to be called “The Oregano Syndrome”, that’s the last time I recall a browser deciding it could do font rendering better than FontManager…and failing. ;-)

Oct 29, 2017 9:41am

David Feugey (2125) 2709 posts

Works well.

A few bugs. @ (who is “alt gr + 0” on French keyboard) works in Otter, but not inside webpages.
éèà, etc. do not work at all. And the software does not propose to save passwords.

It’s not yet ready for daily use, but I think that for specific websites (bank, webmail), with specific settings and shortcuts on the desktop, it’ll be just perfect for my needs.

Ah, and it crashes when trying to fix/update lists for content blocking.

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Apr 2, 2017 9:47am George T. Greenfield (154) 748 posts	Sometimes changing the User Agent can help IME; might be worth a try.

Apr 2, 2017 10:09am John Williams (567) 768 posts	Pretending to be Chrome didn’t help the resolutely resistant dialogue boxes! But thanks once more for caring!

May 31, 2017 7:18pm Raik (463) 2059 posts	I search but I have not found in forum… Maybe I not use the “right words”… How can I use “AltGr” chars like @, € and so on in browser textfields … e.g. if I need access via e-mail address?

Jun 1, 2017 6:42am Chris Hall (132) 3554 posts	& euro ; = € or do you mean something else?

Jun 1, 2017 7:05am Raik (463) 2059 posts	The main problem was/is, I can not login with Otter/Qupzilla (RISC OS) if I need somthing like mail@provider.de . “@” “[AltGr]+[Q]” and other chars like “€” “[AltGr]+[E]”, “µ” “[AltGr]+[M]”… are missing. I have try to login at PayPal and ROOL with German and UK keyboard and “WEB language”. Have also try via !Chars. Maybe I have set a wrong “char-code”. Netsurf can handle this Chars but not the PayPal login. With Otter and Qubzilla in Linux it is working.

Jun 1, 2017 11:51am Phil Spiegelhalter (1585) 13 posts	A simple workaround would be to use ‘!Chars’ ?

Jun 1, 2017 3:45pm Raik (463) 2059 posts	No. Was one of the first things I try…

Oct 22, 2017 4:10pm Chris Gransden (337) 1202 posts	There’s a updated versionn of Otter Browser available. First download resources.zip from here. Just merge the !Boot folder to update. The resources.zip file contains everything needed to run Otter Browser. If you haven’t installed it before you’ll also need to copy the !UnixFC and !UnixFont folder to somewhere convenient. They must be ‘seen’ before Otter Browser runs otherwise no text will appear in the browser window. Then download the updated Otter Browser from here. Just copy the !Otter-browser folder over your existing one. The included otter.conf file contains a few changed defaults mainly to make it run as fast as possible. e.g. Javascript, Content Blocking and the Disk Cache are turned off. For a bit of extra speed once everything is set up is to add the ‘—readonly’ option to the !Run file. This helps to speed up page loading. When using this option any settings changed in the session will be lost as soon as the browser is quit. The default language for menus is set to en_GB. To change to another language click on ‘Help→Switch Application Language’ and browse to the resources/translations folder in !Otter-Browser or just change the existing path. Text entry is still limited to ASCII characters. This update is a build of Otter Browser as of 22nd September 2017. The changes can be seen at http://otter-browser.org.

Oct 24, 2017 10:11am David R. Lane (77) 766 posts	I have just tried this new version and nothing happens apart from the clock stopping for around 20 seconds. I find a report in the debug file as follows. [q_mkdtemp:147:/linux4/gccsdkqt5vfp/build/Qt5Base/qtbase-opensource-src-5.5.0/src/corelib/io/qtemporarydir.cpp]: Warning: Calling mktemp instead of mkdtemp Fatal signal received: Illegal Instruction Stack backtrace: Running thread 0×7aa10c (Main Thread) ( 119bf34) pc: 571751cc lr: 571756ac sp: 119bf38 __write_backtrace() ( 119bfa0) pc: 571753e0 lr: 571772f8 sp: 119bfa4 __unixlib_raise_signal() ( 119bfb0) pc: 571771ac lr: 575dbb5c sp: 1199688 __h_cback() Register dump at 0119bfb4: a1: 85c4c4 a2: 11996c0 a3: 11996bc a4: 11 v1: 959eb6c v2: 8763dc v3: 1 v4: 11996cc v5: 7971f4 v6: 85c4c0 sl: 109b208 fp: 11996a0 ip: 85c1f8 sp: 1199688 lr: 575dbb5c pc: 575dcb74 cpsr: 20000110 575dcb60 : .@ŵå : e5824000 : STR R4,[R2,#0] 575dcb64 : .0†å : e59c3018 : LDR R3,[R12,#24] 575dcb68 : ..Sã : e3530000 : CMP R3,#0 575dcb6c : p¨.. : 091ba870 : LDMEQDB R11,{R4-R6,R11,R13,PC} 575dcb70 : .ó0ç : e730f314 : UDIV R0,R4,R3 ; ARMv7 or later 575dcb74 : ›@`à : e0604093 : MLS R0,R3,R0,R4 ; ARMv6T2 or later 575dcb78 : . †å : e59c2004 : LDR R2,[R12,#4] 575dcb7c : .1‹ç : e7923100 : LDR R3,[R2,R0,LSL #2] 575dcb80 : ..ŵà : e0820100 : ADD R0,R2,R0,LSL #2 ( 11996a0) pc: 575dcb28 lr: 575dbb5c sp: 11996a4 QHash<int, QString>::findNode(int const&, unsigned int) const ( 11996f4) pc: 575db840 lr: 575d8610 sp: 11996f8 QSvgIconEngine::addFile(QString const&, QSize const&, QIcon::Mode, QIcon::State) ( 119971c) pc: 575d85a0 lr: 566e247c sp: 1199720 QSvgIconPlugin::create(QString const&) ( 1199760) pc: 566e218c lr: 566e272c sp: 1199764 QIcon::addFile(QString const&, QSize const&, QIcon::Mode, QIcon::State) ( 119977c) pc: 566e26fc lr: 16de44 sp: 1199780 QIcon::QIcon(QString const&) ( 11997dc) pc: 16dca4 lr: 5c88c sp: 11997e0 Otter::ThemesManager::createIcon(QString const&, bool) ( 119a50c) pc: 536b8 lr: 5f8a0 sp: 119a510 Otter::ActionsManager::ActionsManager(QObject) ( 119a530) pc: 5f85c lr: 86a6c sp: 119a534 Otter::ActionsManager::createInstance() ( 119ab78) pc: 83770 lr: 48b60 sp: 119ab7c Otter::Application::Application(int&, char**) ( 119aed4) pc: 48404 lr: 5718c030 sp: 119aed8 main()

Oct 24, 2017 11:22am Frederick Bambrough (1372) 837 posts	I have just tried this new version and nothing happens apart from the clock stopping for around 20 seconds. Same here. Drive lamps flash for a while then zilch. BB -xM.

Oct 24, 2017 11:29am Andrew Rawnsley (492) 1443 posts	I, too, was coming to report the same thing (same backtrace in “debug”). I have tried removing/replacing the Qt5 choices folder just in case it was a config problem, and also fresh !SharedLibs etc. No joy. From the error message, I’d guess it is trying to create a temporary file/folder somewhere, and failing. Just not sure what or where.

Oct 24, 2017 11:50am Jeffrey Lee (213) 6048 posts	The snippet of disassembly in David’s post contains this, which suggests that some or all of the code was compiled for Cortex-A7/A15/A53. UDIV R0,R4,R3 ; ARMv7 or later

Oct 24, 2017 11:58am Andrew Rawnsley (492) 1443 posts	Well spotted Jeffrey :)

Oct 24, 2017 6:11pm Chris Mahoney (1684) 2165 posts	Which explains why it seemed to work correctly on my ARMv8!

Oct 24, 2017 8:05pm Chris Gransden (337) 1202 posts	I only tested on Titanium and Pi3 so didn’t spot some plugins compiled with ARMv7 (Cortex-a7) only. Go to the `!Boot.Resources.!SharedLibs.lib.abi-2/0.vfp.Qt.plugins.platforms.imageformats` folder and delete the following files, libqdds/so libqicns/so libqjp2/so libqmng/so libqtga/so libqtiff/so libqtraw/so libqwbmp/so libqwebp/so Also delete the iconengines folder in the same folder as imageformats. They’ve also been deleted from the resources.zip download.

Oct 24, 2017 9:24pm Chris Hall (132) 3554 posts	It doesn’t seem to do anything on my Titanium – no errors, no icon bar icon. Just busy for a few seconds then nothing has appeared.

Oct 24, 2017 11:49pm Frederick Bambrough (1372) 837 posts	folder and delete the following files, Presume libqtraw/so Works and this is written on it. Don’t think I’ll make a habit of it. :-)

Oct 26, 2017 4:27pm David R. Lane (77) 766 posts	I have deleted all the files stated by Chris Gransden and it makes no difference on my Pandaboard.

Oct 27, 2017 3:32am Norman Lawrence (3005) 172 posts	Works on my Titanium and loading up the start up web page seems much faster. Thanks Chris for continuing to improve the user experience.

Oct 27, 2017 6:53am David Pitt (3386) 1248 posts	Works on my Titanium. It takes about 13s to start. There is no icon bar icon and any errors may appear in `!Otter-browser.debug`.

Oct 27, 2017 10:07am Chris Hall (132) 3554 posts	There is no icon bar icon and any errors may appear in !Otter-browser.debug. No icon bar icon, no visible errors and thus no window on screen. That’s not working in my book.

Oct 28, 2017 7:11pm Dave Higton (1515) 3497 posts	I’ve installed the latest version of OtterBrowser, following the instructions, on my BBxM (which has an SSD). So far, all it has done is single-task the machine for over 35 minutes, with continuous disc activity. At what point do I decide that something is broken and pull the plug?

Oct 28, 2017 7:30pm Rick Murray (539) 13806 posts	At what point do I decide that something is broken and pull the plug? Don’t pull the plug, especially if it’s doing disc stuff. Try Alt-Break to force kill it. However – do you have many fonts? The very first time I started Otter (the original) it took an embarrassingly long time to get started → https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/1/topics/3599#posts-46052 I mean, seriously, NetSurf scans my fonts in about a minute (I have three Unicode with Asian etc) and it lets me know what’s going on. What the hell takes Otter so long!?!?! Nine and a half minutes on my Pi for first start. There’s a RAMdisc trick that might work, follow the thread I linked to. Though, be warned – things that use downloadable fonts may freak out Otter. A few messages down in the linked thread I got a fonts.gstatic link and… Went, had a bath, came back an hour and a half later, Otter (or UnixFC) was still busy. Hmm. Give it a while longer, and then try killing it nicely. Only pull the plug as a very last resort.

Oct 28, 2017 7:43pm Rick Murray (539) 13806 posts	PS: Now I have a Pi2 and enough memory to actually use it, I have Otter installed, but I don’t use it much. The font rendering is… somewhat lacking¹, kind of like Windows XP before they released ClearType… Is there a setting I should fiddle with? I just find the font rendering in NetSurf better for reading anything of length. ¹ I think this ought to be called “The Oregano Syndrome”, that’s the last time I recall a browser deciding it could do font rendering better than FontManager…and failing. ;-)

Oct 29, 2017 9:41am David Feugey (2125) 2709 posts	Works well. A few bugs. @ (who is “alt gr + 0” on French keyboard) works in Otter, but not inside webpages. éèà, etc. do not work at all. And the software does not propose to save passwords. It’s not yet ready for daily use, but I think that for specific websites (bank, webmail), with specific settings and shortcuts on the desktop, it’ll be just perfect for my needs. Ah, and it crashes when trying to fix/update lists for content blocking.