RISC OS Open: Forum: shortcut for logging in to this forum

Jul 24, 2019 12:25pm

Jim Nagel (444) 25 posts

Would it be possible somehow to save a URL file that would supply my details and log me in to this forum in one swoop?

Something like this works on other sites I use:

ht tps:// myemail:password @ww w.sitename.org/login

[I typed stray spaces here because the forum system was trying to interpret this string.]

The “myemail” contains a “@” which I guess needs to be escaped — how?

Jul 24, 2019 6:04pm

Chris Hall (132) 3554 posts

For textile try @ or @ for the at sign but can’t help with direct log in!

In a URL it is %40 (the ASCII code in hex) as space is %20

& # 64;  or & commat; [without the spaces)

How’s the next issue of Archive doing, Jim?

Jul 24, 2019 8:32pm

Rick Murray (539) 13840 posts

ht tps:// myemail:password @ww w.sitename.org/login

Do you have Firefox on a PC? If so, switch to Web Developer mode, then go to the Network mini-tab.
Log in to the forum as usual, and you should see all requests made, payload (form data) and such. It may be that you can glean some information from that to get an idea of what to try here.

Jul 24, 2019 8:33pm

John Sandgrounder (1650) 574 posts

Jim,

I have a file on Windows XP desktop called Rool-Login.htm


<html>
<form action="https://www.riscosopen.org/hub/account/login" method="post">


<table>
  <tr>
     <td>Email address</td>
     <td><input id="email" maxlength="200" name="email" size="40" type="text" value="my-email-address" /></td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
     <td>Password</td>
     <td><input id="password" maxlength="40" name="password" size="40" type="password" value="password" /></td>
  </tr>
  </table>

  <p>
     <input name="commit" type="submit" value="Log in" />
  </p>
</form>
</html>

In my case .htm files launch Firefox. All I have to do is click in the Log In button.

Jul 24, 2019 8:48pm

John Sandgrounder (1650) 574 posts

I have just tried the same file on RO 5.24 with FileType HTML.

It launches NetSurf :)

Jul 25, 2019 4:47pm

John Williams (567) 768 posts

So if we locate the NetSurf cookies file, parse it and delete the ROOL cookies line then resave, then launch this auto-login page, we may have an auto log-in that actually works reliably?

Mmm! 2 problems with one stone? Or as the French say, “faire d’une pierre deux coups!”

I feel a mini project coming on!

Jul 25, 2019 6:20pm

John Williams (567) 768 posts

NetSurf cookies at Choices:WWW.NetSurf.Cookies

Search www.riscosopen.org and delete the cookies.

Delete all until next cookie.

Now launch a URL for the log-in page.

Robert est ton oncle! Perhaps?

Unfortunately I shall shortly be abandoning my RO machine for a month to go to France!

Would someone else take this on?

Jul 25, 2019 6:39pm

John Sandgrounder (1650) 574 posts

Would someone else take this on?

Why do we need to do anything more that just have the ‘login’ file.

It just works with the cookies left to Netsurf to manage. (At least it does for me). Login and logout, log in again or just forget about logging out and log in again. No problems.

PS I now have a tiny dir on the task bar for the login file:- X AddTinyDir Boot:^.Apps.!Netsurf.Rool-Login

Jul 25, 2019 6:59pm

John Sandgrounder (1650) 574 posts

I believe that this is all working with Firefox handling its own cookies on Windows XP as well with Netsurf on RO 5.24

I now just use the rool-login file on the Windows XP desktop and it just works every time. Never any need to manually delete any cookies.

probably because I deleted my forum bookmark a long time ago and hence I never access the forum without accessing either the Rool home page or login page first

We should thank Jim Nagel for the idea. Life is now so much simpler.

Jul 25, 2019 7:26pm

Steve Pampling (1551) 8170 posts

I believe that this is all working with Firefox handling its own cookies on Windows XP as well with Netsurf on RO 5.24

This is probably tempting fate but using Firefox from three different machines in three different networks with one machine moved around all three of those networks I haven’t had to do any cookie deletion since the last batch of server work.
Oh and part of that period includes me doing some testing of Netsurf on RPCEmu via a nano-router wirelessly connecting to the home router.

Jul 25, 2019 7:31pm

Rick Murray (539) 13840 posts

Robert est ton oncle! Perhaps?

Obvious flaw – if NetSurf is running, it may hold cached cookies. So for that plan to work you’ll need to force-quit NetSurf, patshke around in the cookies file, then restart NetSurf.

hence I never access the forum without accessing either the Rool home page or login page first

I always go to the Recent Posts page first (that’s the only one bookmarked). Why? Because it’s quicker to nuke cookies and log in if there’s something to reply to than it is to log in, look, then log out if nothing’s changed. Some days there’s a lot of activity, and some days nothing whatsoever. It all depends. :-)

One day it might annoy me enough that I’d have a crack at creating a web extension to auto-nuke the ROOL cookies whenever the login page is opened. But sadly laziness wins and it’s pretty easy to handle in Cookie Manager so…
…so it just ranks as “mild annoyance” at the moment.

Jul 25, 2019 8:20pm

Chris Mahoney (1684) 2165 posts

So for that plan to work you’ll need to force-quit NetSurf, patshke around in the cookies file, then restart NetSurf.

Or dig around in the NetSurf code and add a SWI to manage cookies. You have masses of free time, right? :P

This is probably tempting fate but using Firefox from three different machines in three different networks with one machine moved around all three of those networks I haven’t had to do any cookie deletion since the last batch of server work.

Conversely, I had to do it just now (Edge on Windows).

Jul 25, 2019 9:30pm

John Sandgrounder (1650) 574 posts

I haven’t had to do any cookie deletion since the last batch of server work.

Yes. the server is a lot better now.

But for those of us who like to have Firefox delete all cookies and other history when FireFox closes (Stop google tracking, etc), Jim’s idea for a shortcut to logging in is a good time server (no typing, just two clicks).

And it works well with the server improvements (and it doesn’ bitch if you are already logged in).

Jul 27, 2019 6:04pm

Jim Nagel (444) 25 posts

I now have a tiny dir on the task bar for the login file:- X AddTinyDir Boot:^.Apps.!Netsurf.Rool-Login

Could you post a copy of your login file, please, that we might adapt? (Munge your password etc, of course.)
I find nothing mentioning riscosopen in my Choices:WWW.NetSurf.Cookies file.

Jul 27, 2019 6:49pm

Rick Murray (539) 13840 posts

I find nothing mentioning riscosopen in my Choices:WWW.NetSurf.Cookies file.

That’s because NetSurf holds the cookies in memory, (correctly) throwing them away at the end of the session when the Cookies file is updated.
Hence, one probably shouldn’t see ROOL cookies in the cookies file any more. ;-)

Jul 27, 2019 7:27pm

John Sandgrounder (1650) 574 posts

Could you post a copy of your login file

Already posted. 4th post down on this topic.

Jul 27, 2019 11:22pm

Jim Nagel (444) 25 posts

Ah, silly me: I read your earlier post too quickly and got misled by its reference to Windows XP. Of course it’s just HTML and works in Netsurf too.

Rather than make the HTML snippet a Tinydir, I put the snippet as a file called “rool-login” into the same dir where the Netsurf welcome page lives, and in the welcome page changed the ROOL link. It was
href=“h ttp://ww w.riscosopen.org/” [[gratuitous spaces to stop forum trying to interpret this]] but it is now just
href=“rool-login”
so that now when I click on the ROOL link, I get logged in. Handy! Thanks!

Jul 28, 2019 10:14am

John Sandgrounder (1650) 574 posts

so that now when I click on the ROOL link, I get logged in. Handy! Thanks!

I like that. :)

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Jul 24, 2019 12:25pm Jim Nagel (444) 25 posts	Would it be possible somehow to save a URL file that would supply my details and log me in to this forum in one swoop? Something like this works on other sites I use: ht tps:// myemail:password @ww w.sitename.org/login [I typed stray spaces here because the forum system was trying to interpret this string.] The “myemail” contains a “@” which I guess needs to be escaped — how?

Jul 24, 2019 6:04pm Chris Hall (132) 3554 posts	For textile try @ or @ for the at sign but can’t help with direct log in! In a URL it is %40 (the ASCII code in hex) as space is %20 & # 64; or & commat; [without the spaces) How’s the next issue of Archive doing, Jim?

Jul 24, 2019 8:32pm Rick Murray (539) 13840 posts	ht tps:// myemail:password @ww w.sitename.org/login Do you have Firefox on a PC? If so, switch to Web Developer mode, then go to the Network mini-tab. Log in to the forum as usual, and you should see all requests made, payload (form data) and such. It may be that you can glean some information from that to get an idea of what to try here.

Jul 24, 2019 8:33pm John Sandgrounder (1650) 574 posts	Jim, I have a file on Windows XP desktop called Rool-Login.htm `<html> <form action="https://www.riscosopen.org/hub/account/login" method="post"> <table> <tr> <td>Email address</td> <td><input id="email" maxlength="200" name="email" size="40" type="text" value="my-email-address" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Password</td> <td><input id="password" maxlength="40" name="password" size="40" type="password" value="password" /></td> </tr> </table> <p> <input name="commit" type="submit" value="Log in" /> </p> </form> </html>` In my case .htm files launch Firefox. All I have to do is click in the Log In button.

Jul 24, 2019 8:48pm John Sandgrounder (1650) 574 posts	I have just tried the same file on RO 5.24 with FileType HTML. It launches NetSurf :)

Jul 25, 2019 4:47pm John Williams (567) 768 posts	So if we locate the NetSurf cookies file, parse it and delete the ROOL cookies line then resave, then launch this auto-login page, we may have an auto log-in that actually works reliably? Mmm! 2 problems with one stone? Or as the French say, “faire d’une pierre deux coups!” I feel a mini project coming on!

Jul 25, 2019 6:20pm John Williams (567) 768 posts	NetSurf cookies at Choices:WWW.NetSurf.Cookies Search www.riscosopen.org and delete the cookies. Delete all until next cookie. Now launch a URL for the log-in page. Robert est ton oncle! Perhaps? Unfortunately I shall shortly be abandoning my RO machine for a month to go to France! Would someone else take this on?

Jul 25, 2019 6:39pm John Sandgrounder (1650) 574 posts	Would someone else take this on? Why do we need to do anything more that just have the ‘login’ file. It just works with the cookies left to Netsurf to manage. (At least it does for me). Login and logout, log in again or just forget about logging out and log in again. No problems. PS I now have a tiny dir on the task bar for the login file:- X AddTinyDir Boot:^.Apps.!Netsurf.Rool-Login

Jul 25, 2019 6:59pm John Sandgrounder (1650) 574 posts	I believe that this is all working with Firefox handling its own cookies on Windows XP as well with Netsurf on RO 5.24 I now just use the rool-login file on the Windows XP desktop and it just works every time. Never any need to manually delete any cookies. probably because I deleted my forum bookmark a long time ago and hence I never access the forum without accessing either the Rool home page or login page first We should thank Jim Nagel for the idea. Life is now so much simpler.

Jul 25, 2019 7:26pm Steve Pampling (1551) 8170 posts	I believe that this is all working with Firefox handling its own cookies on Windows XP as well with Netsurf on RO 5.24 This is probably tempting fate but using Firefox from three different machines in three different networks with one machine moved around all three of those networks I haven’t had to do any cookie deletion since the last batch of server work. Oh and part of that period includes me doing some testing of Netsurf on RPCEmu via a nano-router wirelessly connecting to the home router.

Jul 25, 2019 7:31pm Rick Murray (539) 13840 posts	Robert est ton oncle! Perhaps? Obvious flaw – if NetSurf is running, it may hold cached cookies. So for that plan to work you’ll need to force-quit NetSurf, patshke around in the cookies file, then restart NetSurf. hence I never access the forum without accessing either the Rool home page or login page first I always go to the Recent Posts page first (that’s the only one bookmarked). Why? Because it’s quicker to nuke cookies and log in if there’s something to reply to than it is to log in, look, then log out if nothing’s changed. Some days there’s a lot of activity, and some days nothing whatsoever. It all depends. :-) One day it might annoy me enough that I’d have a crack at creating a web extension to auto-nuke the ROOL cookies whenever the login page is opened. But sadly laziness wins and it’s pretty easy to handle in Cookie Manager so… …so it just ranks as “mild annoyance” at the moment.

Jul 25, 2019 8:20pm Chris Mahoney (1684) 2165 posts	So for that plan to work you’ll need to force-quit NetSurf, patshke around in the cookies file, then restart NetSurf. Or dig around in the NetSurf code and add a SWI to manage cookies. You have masses of free time, right? :P This is probably tempting fate but using Firefox from three different machines in three different networks with one machine moved around all three of those networks I haven’t had to do any cookie deletion since the last batch of server work. Conversely, I had to do it just now (Edge on Windows).

Jul 25, 2019 9:30pm John Sandgrounder (1650) 574 posts	I haven’t had to do any cookie deletion since the last batch of server work. Yes. the server is a lot better now. But for those of us who like to have Firefox delete all cookies and other history when FireFox closes (Stop google tracking, etc), Jim’s idea for a shortcut to logging in is a good time server (no typing, just two clicks). And it works well with the server improvements (and it doesn’ bitch if you are already logged in).

Jul 27, 2019 6:04pm Jim Nagel (444) 25 posts	I now have a tiny dir on the task bar for the login file:- X AddTinyDir Boot:^.Apps.!Netsurf.Rool-Login Could you post a copy of your login file, please, that we might adapt? (Munge your password etc, of course.) I find nothing mentioning riscosopen in my Choices:WWW.NetSurf.Cookies file.

Jul 27, 2019 6:49pm Rick Murray (539) 13840 posts	I find nothing mentioning riscosopen in my Choices:WWW.NetSurf.Cookies file. That’s because NetSurf holds the cookies in memory, (correctly) throwing them away at the end of the session when the Cookies file is updated. Hence, one probably shouldn’t see ROOL cookies in the cookies file any more. ;-)

Jul 27, 2019 7:27pm John Sandgrounder (1650) 574 posts	Could you post a copy of your login file Already posted. 4th post down on this topic.

Jul 27, 2019 11:22pm Jim Nagel (444) 25 posts	Ah, silly me: I read your earlier post too quickly and got misled by its reference to Windows XP. Of course it’s just HTML and works in Netsurf too. Rather than make the HTML snippet a Tinydir, I put the snippet as a file called “rool-login” into the same dir where the Netsurf welcome page lives, and in the welcome page changed the ROOL link. It was href=“h ttp://ww w.riscosopen.org/” [[gratuitous spaces to stop forum trying to interpret this]] but it is now just href=“rool-login” so that now when I click on the ROOL link, I get logged in. Handy! Thanks!

Jul 28, 2019 10:14am John Sandgrounder (1650) 574 posts	so that now when I click on the ROOL link, I get logged in. Handy! Thanks! I like that. :)