Omni / Lanman98 setup? (oh, and IMAP)
Jasmine (2350) 47 posts |
It’s got numbers… just how much more secure can I make it?! :p We actually used CHBS for resetting user logins at a place I used to work, and we gave them out over the phone. That was always…. amusing, to say the least! |
Steve Pampling (1551) 8172 posts |
Over-complicated. qwertyuiop123 is far easier to type, and it’s longer therefore more secure1. :) New PW policy at work pushes the minimum up to just short of my actual password length2, but no requirement for anything other than alpha 1 That bit is true, but let down by the common element. 2 Initial letters of two lines of a song, with upper-case and numbers. Seven is a proper substitution, isn’t it? :) |
Doug Webb (190) 1180 posts |
OK thats disappointing. Can you just check on the RISC OS side via a task window and *Status and look for LMTransport and see if it says IP against it? I know on the windows side you have 40/56bit encryption but can’t remember seeing if you chnaged that to 128bit and if that chnages anything. Also what Firewall set up do you have on the Windows 10 machine as that could be a potential issue for the way RISC OS works on Ports 137/139 and allowing NetBios over IP on the windows side. One of the MUG members did have similar issues and resolved it after looking at this video on setting up the Windows side, you never know it may help you as well. He ran the following YouTube video, which explains how to share a |
Colin (478) 2433 posts |
Try this for pc setup. Open start menu and type ‘settings: turn windows features on or off’
Restart the PC. Open start menu and type ‘settings: advanced sharing settings’
Find a folder you want to share – I have a folder in my documents folder called TestShare.
If the PC SMB 1.0 server isn’t enabled riscos will give a ‘timeout’ error – eventually |
Jasmine (2350) 47 posts |
Thanks for that, Colin. Alas still no joy. Still getting the TCP/IP error :( |
Colin (478) 2433 posts |
you get “Cannot make TCP/IP connection” if you block incoming connections in the Windows firewall. Does:
on a windows admin commandline show any ports closed Edit: Hmmm… Can’t see that that command does anything useful. |
Andrew Rawnsley (492) 1445 posts |
Might also be worth checking what (if any) additional antivirus/firewall software you have installed – that can mess things up. For the Windows firewall, I’d strongly recommend resetting it to default if possible, if you’ve started making manual exclusions etc. Unless you have very specific other requirements, it is usually best to just leave the Win firewall to its own devices and simply allow (when prompted) known-safe apps when you run them. It certainly shouldn’t be necessary to alter (Windows) firewall settings to do file sharing. Since you’re using a dedicated login, you probably don’t need the email-address type login that Colin mentioned. If you turn off password protected sharing, you can (I think) just leave the username/password blank. More concerning is the fact you can’t make a TCP/IP connection. Sometimes I have found Windows PC lookup to be “iffy” in name translation and you can be better to put in the PC’s IP address rather than name. This avoids any confusion. Also, we (R-Comp) offer RISC OS networking tech support services by phone or remote control, should you desire it. We also publish(ed) guides on how to set up networks and so on. People tend to prefer free stuff though, so you don’t tend to hear much about our commercial support unless I say it! :) |
Alan Adams (2486) 1149 posts |
I assume you’ve tried the obvious – in a taskwindow on RISC OS type “ping If you get “unknown host” then the name lookup is failing. Are you using the name or address when trying to connect? |
Steve Pampling (1551) 8172 posts |
I’ve come across this at work and wondered why people did it, particularly when what they revealed was not what they thought. Name lookup is best checked with the correct tool. On Windows this would be nslookup, on RISC OS the command you want is “gethost” For instance, if you try ping on a RPCEmu NAT setup you get a response that suggests things are not working because the NAT forwarder is not built to forward anything except IP and ICMP is a different protocol. (You can get a response to the “inside” interface of the virtual router, but that’s the limit) gethost www.google.com will give you a positive result by telling you the IP. gethost -t www.google.com will give a more extensive response by including the time it took for your query to go out to your configured DNS and for the response to come back. Edit: Unhelpfully, the RO command line seems to give NO help for gethost. |
Alan Adams (2486) 1149 posts |
because ping is the same on all platforms, hence easy to remember. |
Rick Murray (539) 13851 posts |
How are you trying it? *gethost Usage: gethost [-t] [-x] <hostname> the gethost utility does hostname and IP lookups Options: -t show the elapsed time of the lookup in fractional seconds -x do a reverse lookup; find a hostname from an IP address *gethost -t heyrick.eu Hostname: heyrick.eu Address: 193.33.179.237 type: 2 length: 4 gethostbyname() took 0.006 seconds *gethost -x 193.33.179.237 Hostname: heyrick.eu Address: 193.33.179.237 type: 2 length: 4 *gethost livebox.home Hostname: livebox.home Address: 192.168.1.1 type: 2 length: 4 *gethost raspberrypi.home Hostname: raspberrypi.home Address: 192.168.1.10 type: 2 length: 4 * |
Alan Adams (2486) 1149 posts |
Another thought – is the pc a laptop, and if so, is it connected to your network by wire, wireless or both? If it’s both, then it has two IP addresses, and in that situation I’ve known Lanman get confused. What I think may happen is that the laptop decides one interface is faster, and prefers to use that. Lanman sends a request to the other interface, and gets its reply from a different IP address than the one is sent the request to. |
Rick Murray (539) 13851 posts |
What would be useful is if there’s a tool to report all of the *.home addresses… I wrote a program: livebox.home → .1 Interestingly, the Vonets (.19) seems invisible, and perhaps because the Vonets is connected to a switch sharing the connection between the PC and the Pi, the router can’t tell them apart. *gethost -x kuroneko.home Invalid address "kuroneko.home" *gethost raspberrypi.home Hostname: raspberrypi.home Address: 192.168.1.30 type: 2 length: 4 Address: 192.168.1.10 type: 2 length: 4 * .10 is the Pi, .30 is the PC (it’s different to what I posted earlier as I’ve just turned the PC on). I’ve added the PC to my Hosts file, so |
Alan Adams (2486) 1149 posts |
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Steve Pampling (1551) 8172 posts |
Doh! Never occurred to me that a star command wouldn’t use |
Alan Adams (2486) 1149 posts |
Sloppy porting I suspect. It’s not uncommon. |
Rick Murray (539) 13851 posts |
Ah, it’s not sloppy porting…you’re running into the problem that commands provided by modules work with the |
Steve Pampling (1551) 8172 posts |
More likely because the behaviour of the Vonets includes an element of firewall, or the Vonets powered up before the switch and your test device so the gratuitous ARP the Vonets did (or ought to) didn’t register in your test device. Try a ping to the broadcast address of your network (x.×.×.255 on a /24 subnet) and then test again. |
Alan Adams (2486) 1149 posts |
And how is the user supposed to know where the commands come from? |
Steve Pampling (1551) 8172 posts |
Beside which, when did this stuff originate? Porting from Windows (what’s a network?), porting from (What the hell is a “Linux”), porting from a Unix clone – where *H won’t get you much. Module help vs. program help — when dealing with the OS, shouldn’t we be expecting a consistent help UI? Other programmes might vary, but in the OS consistency should rule. |
Colin (478) 2433 posts |
they could have at least added a -h flag for help – always a good first guess
doesn’t work. just
gives you help |
Steve Fryatt (216) 2105 posts |
In the same way that they have since 1987 when RISC OS arrived. This isn’t a new phenomenon, although there was some discussion recently about how to work around it. One option is which:
You can find it on James Peacock’s website: http://effarig.co.uk/riscos/ ETA: Duncan Moore did a version, too: http://duncan-moore.netau.net/riscos/index.html – and in the interests of completeness, this is the version that I showed in use above. |
Rick Murray (539) 13851 posts |
Yes. The use of Therefore… if |
Sprow (202) 1158 posts |
they could have at least added a -h flag for help I’m pretty sure I added help to all the disc based commands in !Internet.bin (checks…) yes 18 years ago.
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Colin (478) 2433 posts |
Interesting what you find when you look
RMFind looks an exciting command. |