Omni / Lanman98 setup? (oh, and IMAP)

Yes. The use of -h ought to be mandatory, in case running the command with no parameters actually does something.

An example on Windows and Unix clones is nslookup. Used on its own it runs the program instead of just executing single commands.

Is is possible to “discover” the existence of gethost? Or do you have to know it exists in order to use it? It certainly doesn’t appear if you start from *help, then try *help commands. For the majority of RISC OS users, if it isn’t in *help, it doesn’t exist.

(Mind you, it’s similar to my first experience of Unix – SunOS 1.4. It took me some time to discover that “man” meant “help”. “man man” is an unliklely but useful starting point.)

*gethost -t “Hostname” works and gives 192.168.1.239 but *gethost -t -x 192.168.1.239 doesn’t identify it in reverse and gives Failed to look up “192.168.1.239”

Do I take it my router doesn’t like giving out that information?

Meanwhile back at the coalface. The status of ports can be checked by:

search for ‘firewall with advanced’ at the start menu

click on "Windows defender firewall with advanced security’

expand Monitoring on the left and click on firewall.

sort by ‘Local port’ column

Do I take it my router doesn’t like giving out that information?

it would appear so

gethost -t -x 192.168.1.66

works for me.

Thought so as *gethost -x 127.0.0.1 gives:

Hostname: 127.0.0.1
Address: 127.0.0.1
type: 2
length: 4

*gethost -x 127.0.0.1
Hostname: localhost
Alias:    raspberrypi
Alias:    heyrick.ddns.net
Alias:    me
Address:  127.0.0.1
   type:  2
 length:  4

*

The first alias would appear to be from Inet$Hostname? Or does it know it is the “raspberrypi” part of “raspberrypi.home”?
The other two aliases are set up in the Hosts file – it locally points to heyrick.ddns.net so links work in NetSurf and Manga ;-) and there’s also me because I’m lazy and it’s a lot quicker to type than “localhost” or the corresponding IP address.

This now has me puzzled. If I type “gethost”, how does the OS know that it needs to run a particular program?

A little digging found Run$Path. It seems to contain 3 elements. The first is !boot.library, which only has a few commands to do with FAT filesystems, and fonts. The third element points to !internet.bin, which contains gethost, along with a number of other commands, mostly apparently ported from Unix. I wonder why nslookup wasn’t ported, instead of creating gethost?

The middle element of the path is “%.”. What does that do?
Ah, now found that one – % is the CSD, so ti also runs programs from the current directory. I never knew that.

I assume that the OS does two things – sends a message round the modules to see whether one can handle the command, and searches Run$Path for the command as a program name.

If those are the only two things done, then maybe a useful addition to *help would be a scan along Run$Path listing the executables found as potential additional commands. This would mean that *help would be a starting point for all commands, not just those associated with modules.
(Just played with the programs in !Internet.bin – one stalls the machine needing alt-break. Maybe listing that wouldn’t be such a useful thing to do.)

Update, some progress maybe?!
In LanMan used the IP address as servername and now get a near immediate error “Connection rejected by server”, so definitely seems to be reaching the machine now, which is good. I’ve tried every combination of options in advnaced share settings though, and also set up a new share folder on the win machine from scratch and consistently getting the new error.

PC is a windows 10 desktop, connected via ethernet. No wireless involved anywhere. Both the pi and desktop connected directly to main network modem-router, no intermediate switching.

Lookng back through riscos usenet archives I did notice LanManager workstation the HKLM registry settings, to set passwords to plaintext. I tried this too but no joy.

Do I take it my router doesn’t like giving out that information?

No PTR in the DNS most likely :)

A_RECORD – DNS name to IP
PTR – Reverse lookup of DNS Name from IP

works for me

Better router, perhaps, or do you have a host file entry for your router?

If using the IP address works, but the name doesn’t it means that the name lookup is failing. There are many possible reasons, depending on how your PC is configured. The risk of using the IP address, is that if you are using plain DHCP for the PC, the address may change at some random future time. The router however should provide the name resolution, which it apparently isn’t.

If you have the PC set to a fixed address, then adding that address to the HOSTS file on the RISC OS system will allow the name to be looked up. The third possibility is to fix the address by using a DHCP reservation, which is set up on the router. This ensures that DHCP always sends the same address to the PC. In this case too, it can help to put the name in the HOSTS file.

error “Connection rejected by server”, so definitely seems to be reaching the machine now, which is good.

I think this is what I got initially, when the Windows10 machine didn’t have SMB1 installed. Recent releases of Windows10 exclude it by default, and as said earlier in the thread it has to be added using “Windows features”, and then enabled.

It could of course be something else in your case.

It’s got numbers… just how much more secure can I make it?! :p

Let’s see… some sites (hello ARM!) ask for:

• A password of at least eight characters in length
• with an uppercase letter
• and a lower case letter
• and a number
• and a symbol

Clearly these sites think that “P@5∫ωóЯ₫” is more secure than “zombiellamasforthewin”. The difference is that one will be able to be remembered, while the other…

The worst passwords are “secret”, “iamgod”, and so on.
The second worst passwords are one that can be found scribbled onto a PostIt stuck to the side of the screen.

Pretty much all of the enforced-rules passwords are the latter category. Looking at the list in Firefox, I can spot a few sites that required those rules. And, you know what? I don’t remember most of them. Firefox does. Even if it is based upon a dictionary word – let’s say “skateboard” (I asked Google for a 10 letter word)… was the ‘a’ an ‘@’? Which one? Both would be too easy. The ‘o’ might have been ‘0’. The ‘t’ may have been ‘+’. The upper case would not have been the first or last (too obvious). So… possibly “sK@+eb0ard” or “sK@t3board” or… oh FFS… I’ll just write this down and leave it in a really visible place. :-/

And, you know what? I don’t remember most of them. Firefox does.

Same here. Two snags with that – one is if you need to change browser for some reason. The other is if the Firefox saved password file gets lost, e.g. reinstalling Windows. (It can be backed up, once you’ve found it in the “maze of twisty little directories, all alike”)

I use a file of account hints which allow me to home in on a password within one or two guesses.

Ah, now found that one – % is the CSD

Actually, % is the current library, as set by *Lib

(rushes off to check that I haven’t called % “CSD” anywhere important…)

Actually, % is the current library, as set by *Lib

I assumed CSD based on experiment. Go to a directory with one of my programs in. Use “set directory ^W”
Type the name of the program at the * prompt. The program runs.

how does the OS know that it needs to run a particular program?

Exactly as you have surmised, it scans through the module commands and if not found, it will evaluate Run$Path to look for a file with the same name.

then maybe a useful addition to *help would be a scan along Run$Path listing the executables found as potential additional commands

That’s difficult for two reasons. Firstly, what is “executable” at any given point depends upon the system setup. We all know Absolute, Basic, Exec, Obey, and Utility are executable. But, given the right things being ‘seen’ by the filer, I can imagine Perl and Lua scripts could also be?
Is a module executable? It can be.

Secondly, here’s my Run$Path: $.!BOOT.Library., $.!BOOT.Utils., , %. , $.Internet.bin., $.Apps.Misc.!AppUtils.Crunched., $.Coding.AcornC/C++.!SetPaths.Lib32., $.Coding.AcornC/C++.perl-5_001.!Perl., $.Coding.MyUtils

I wonder why nslookup wasn’t ported, instead of creating gethost?

According to the Wiki page, nslookup was part of BIND and it was supposed to be deprecated in favour of host and dig, a decision which was reversed in 2004, with nslookup being fully supported since then.

It’s therefore quite likely that nslookup had a big question mark over it at the time when the RISC OS networking system and utilities were created.

I assumed CSD based on experiment.

Check your Run path carefully – you might notice two commas before the %. ;-)
(see my example above)

In LanMan used the IP address as servername and now get a near immediate error “Connection rejected by server

It’s nothing to do with authentication it has to connect before it can authenticate. You don’t need any registry changes.

I think the firewall is blocking the connection. Did you check the status of ports 137,139 in ’Windows defender firewall with advanced security’ see earlier post.

I think the firewall is blocking the connection. Did you check the status of ports 137,139 in ’Windows defender firewall with advanced security’ see earlier post.

Assuming there isn’t a third-party firewall instead. Mine came with McAfee, and that is just set to “allow local network”. Safe enough unless someone hacks the wireless router from a car parked outside.

By the way, the reason it specifies Library by path as well as by ‘%’ is because the latter generally isn’t used. *Lib is a hangover from the 6502 era, and is better handled by a list of paths, the Run$Path.

*.
Dir. SDFS::RISCOSpi.$.Coding.Projects.Manga.!Manga Option 02 (Run) 
CSD  SDFS::RISCOSpi.$.Coding.Projects.Manga.!Manga
Lib. SDFS:"Unset"
URD  SDFS:"Unset"
!Boot        WR/     !Help        WR/WR   !Run         WR/
!RunImage    WR/     !Sprites     WR/     !Sprites11   WR/
!Sprites22   WR/     [etc etc]

You’ll also note URD, another forgotten thing. ;-)

Clearly these sites think that “P@5∫ωóЯ₫” is more secure than “zombiellamasforthewin”.

:) IkyotsSsIkIfysAsIraty (stage 1)

All you need to know is a list of my favourite music, plus other items.
Then find the one that matches and assume I haven’t done any letter number substitution (which I would) and assume I would always use standard substitutions (which I don’t)

For Jasmine, I suspect the answer is more a case of the Win10 install not running OLD SMB (and possibly having a password at all)

two commas before the %. ;-)

Security, why would we want that??? ;-)

Check your Run path carefully – you might notice two commas before the %. ;-)
(see my example above)

What’s the significance of that? I wasn’t sure I saw that, as this is a big monitor with very small text in task windows.

Nope.

The rejected message means that it has connected but the first message sent was rejected.

Thats me stumped.

I suspect the answer is more a case of the Win10 install not running OLD SMB (and possibly having a password at all)

I can’t speak for Windows 10, but I believe earlier versions needed extra stuff installed and a few registry hacks in order to coax the thing into talking “old insecure” SMB.

Recent installs on Windows10 (like mine which was new in November 2019) do not have SMB1 installed. It has to be added.

Safe enough unless someone hacks the wireless router from a car parked outside.]

Are you using WPS? ;-)

What’s the significance of that?

A path of "" means “the current”. That’s what is running the program in the currently selected directory.

) IkyotsSsIkIfysAsIraty (stage 1)

At a guess, and I’ve not looked this up as I can’t be bothered typing that out… Sigur Rós?