RISC OS / Mac shared drive

A read only (user=nobody) mount in Omni enables the use of network management commands in a TaskWindow.

What do you mean by “network management commands”?

Your example above is *Cat – on the system here:

*adfs
*.
Dir. ADFS::HardDisc4.$ Option 02 (Run)
CSD  ADFS:"Unset"
Lib. ADFS:"Unset"
URD  ADFS:"Unset"
!Boot        D/      40           D/      AcornC/C++   D/
Apps         D/      Diversions   D/      Documents    D/
FromDisc5    D/      Printing     D/      Programming  D/
Public       D/      Sources      D/      StrongDump   WR/
ThirdParty   D/      Transient    D/      Utilities    D/
*sdfs
*.
The disc drive is empty
*dir sunfish::filestore
*.
Dir. Sunfish::filestore.$ Option 00 (Off)
CSD  Sunfish::filestore.$
Lib. Sunfish:"Unset"
URD  Sunfish:"Unset"
Hardware         DWR/WR  Work             DWR/    ArchiveMag       DWR/
Accounts         DWR/    Archives         DWR/WR  Organizer        DWR/R
Pictures         DWR/WR  Theatre          DWR/    Development      DWR/R
WROCC            DWR/R   ToProcessAndFile DWR/WR  RISCOS           DWR/R
Documents        DWR/WR  Websites         DWR/WR  Software         DWR/R
Banking          DWR/
*

For what I think you are going to do, this is what I recommend:

1 Add !Sunfish to “Look at” in the Boot configuration app.
2 Rename the sunfish ImageFS file to Mac_Cra.. I mean Mac_Stuff.
3 Open a task window and input the command:

* addtinydir $.Public.Mac_Stuff (for example)

That is.

Now use the path $.Public.Mac_Stuff (substitute with yours, of course) like any other dir.

If you need mounting with another permissions just use another ImageFS file.

If you need tens of nfs shares and you want to mount this and now dismount that &c, ok, use something else, but complicating yourself like that just to share a folder from a mac, I don’t understand it, really.

What do you mean by “network management commands”?

Nothing special, just the commands used in a unix terminal to navigate create and change files and directories.
Neither the Mac nor RISC OS GUIs give complete information about permissions and it is mainly permissions I have been struggling with.
It simplifies matters if I am using command line on the mac to do the same on RISC OS.
With coreutils installed the two systems are surprisingly similar.
ls, chown, chmod, cd

The following examples are picked from the last 100 commands reported by the history command list on the mac.
history is not supported by coreutils on RISC OS
ls
ls – with various combinations of switches
ls -hlp
ls -hlp
ls -hlpn
cd
chown —help
chmod —help
chown with various switches including recursion -R

ls -hnap

 but complicating yourself like that just to share a folder from a mac, I don’t understand it, really.

It is not very complicated.

The only complication is having the same folder shared twice, by Sunfish and by OmniClient.
Sunfish puts my folder on the iconbar with a name of 501Shared. This works fine with RISC OS GUI filer windows.
But I also want to be use the command line to list and change the shared files and this is easier from
an Omni mount.

I give up.

mmmmmm… last time. You don’t need Ommni and Sunfish. Do what I said (at least try it!). you can use whatever command you want to use in that dir ($.Public.Mac_Stuff in my example). There are people here trying to help you. Take some time to read what they are telling you. Time is precious, my precious…

1 Add !Sunfish to “Look at” in the Boot configuration app.
2 Rename the sunfish ImageFS file to Mac_Cra.. I mean Mac_Stuff.
3 Open a task window and input the command:
* addtinydir $.Public.Mac_Stuff (for example)

Done the above. Image file macsh is on the icon bar and when clicked opens filer onto shared files.
so far so good.

Now use the path $.Public.Mac_Stuff (substitute with yours, of course) like any other dir.

Open command window

 *cd $.Public.macsh
'$.Public.macsh' is a file

macsh is not recognised as image filing system directory.

@Steve I forgot to mention the main reason for needing the command line to work is for using Git.

I am testing the ROOL bounty Git client which does not yet support “push” to remote.
As a work-around I propose to keep git repositories on a shared drive. This should not
affect the working of Git commands on RISC OS, and I can use the Mac to “push” to GitHub

One of the really useful features of coreutils is that it suports completion of file names using the tab key.

 *cd $.Public.macsh
'$.Public.macsh' is a file

good news – after opening macsh by double-click on iconbar icon the command line works.

*dir $.Public
*cat
Dir. SCSI::SSD.$.Public Option 02 (Run) 
CSD  SCSI::SSD.$.Public
Lib. SCSI:"Unset"
URD  SCSI:"Unset"
macsh        WR/   
 
*dir macsh
'macsh' is a file

| at this point I double clicked on iconbar icon to open macsh

*dir macsh
*cat
Dir. SCSI::SSD.$.Public.macsh Option 00 (Off) 
CSD  SCSI::SSD.$.Public.macsh
Lib. SCSI:"Unset"
URD  SCSI:"Unset"
SC†Info      DWR/WR  /localized   WR/WR   speed        DWR/R   
imagez       DWR/R   vidz         DWR/R   git          DWR/R  
*

Is that after you’ve clicked in the filer to open the mount? Do native commands like cat and dir work for you?

Thanks Stuart – crossed in the post.

Configuring Boot to “look” to !Sunfish just makes the association of the Sunfish type, so when you open such a file, sunfish will mount it. This is well documented inside !Sunfish. At this point I would think you had spent a little time reading the documentation.

The saddest part is that there is not a single comment from ROOL in this thread about the state of OmniClient. Nor in the bug report. The next new user following the guide will have a lot of fun trying to mount a nfs share.

Just ‘looking’ at !Sunfish and setting a file type isn’t sufficient, it needs the Sunfish module loading (see !Run) to handle the image file of that type. I think that’d then work to mount the remote filesystem without having to double-click the image file.

I just have !Sunfish in “Look at”. The mount is done when double-cliking the image file. It is documented inside !Sunfish, look at the “Use as an image filing system” section. But I’m not wasting more time with a software that can’t even be built. And if I want just to take a look inside Risc Os to the source code of OmniClient, I have to pay 50 pounds in a fake donation to a port of webkit, which is open source, and if I want to try to fix something or look if I can manage to alter the wimp to use UTF-8 in a simple and useful way I have to pay another 50 pounds for a compiler and tools I don’t need for anything else, and people here talking about aarch64 and 3D desktops, whatever the * is that… all this is depressing. I don’t like having this negativity in my head, I need a break.

03.01.24 ==> Speed tests Sunfish
Here are some file transfer speed tests using various Sunfish configuration options between ARMX6 and Mac using Sunfish mounts and copy commands in a TaskWindow
The mount names indicate the config options.

• NFS3udp Protocol: NFS3 Transport: udp
• NFS3tcp Protocol: NFS3 Transport: tcp
• NFS2udp Protocol: NFS2 Transport: udp

The copy command was run at least twice per entry and gave very consistent results.

RISC OS and the Mac were rock steady testing copying and deleting of 60000 plus files of around 3GB.

The times are in seconds. The results were pretty much as expected except for NF3/TCP being slower than NF3/UDP

Apps is a directory of 100MB containing 3071 files. MP3s is a directory of 100MB containing 39 files

ARMX6      Mac                Apps   Mp3s
RAM     -  NFS3udp              72     14
RAM     -  NFS3tcp             104     38
RAM     -  NFS2udp             113     57    

Mac       ARMX6  
NFS3tcp -  RAM                  27      9
NFS3udp -  RAM                  30     13
NFS2udp -  RAM                  30     13

The best bet seems to be Protocol: NFS3 Transport: udp. Much faster writing to Mac and only a little slower when reading.