BREXIT

SNP have today sent postal reminders to vote in the EU elections… to three seperate persons who have never lived at this address!

to three seperate persons who have never lived at this address!

Contact the council, there may be a number of Mr. & Mrs. Nobody entries on the electoral roll (public copy)

Yet another election I can’t vote in – the French weren’t letting Brits register to vote as when that was to happen, the UK was intending to have already left the EU.

This is illegal practice. Make sure that the French AND British autorities know that. Things like this can render whole election results invalid.

Make sure that the French

I think the French know. Problem is the idiot British are still thinking they might be “out” by then…

AND British autorities know that.

I’ve been here over 15 years. Therefore I simply don’t exist as far as the British government is concerned.
If it was possible I’d hand back my passport with a very impolite note attached…

Don’t you Rick – have a relative in the UK who would put your position – to their MP or MEP?

Sounds a bit like ‘Windrush’

The rules are – expats with more than 15 years absence lose the right to vote. Probably the right to everything else as well (except, of course, paying taxes on UK source income).

I think they learned nothing at all from the Boston Tea Party.

I think they learned nothing at all from the Boston Tea Party.

Tell that to the Americans – taxed by US IRS on income wherever they reside as long as they remain citizens.

Due to family relations I’m quite familiar with the nightmare that is the IR$, however it’s worth pointing out that as an American citizen, one can still register to vote (regardless of time outside of the country) and can return to the US fairly freely for holidays and/or good, and even run for president… :-)

however it’s worth pointing out that as an American citizen, one can still … and even run for president… :-)

No, this is not correct. “Natural born citizen” you must be to run for president of the USofA. See discussions around John McCain back in 2008.

“Natural born citizen”

Sorry, I thought that was what we were talking about.

I should add – that’s because there are many loopholes with so called citizenship of the US, as opposed to birth citizenship, that make one less a citizen and more a “part citizen”. Consider American territories such as Guam, Puerto Rico, etc. Some (many!) of them don’t even have voting rights.
But, then, America is really a third world country with some rich people living in it (consider their social/medical care).

Sorry, I thought that was what we were talking about.

There is a difference between being an “American citizen” (which you talked about) and being a “Natural born citizen” as determined in the US constitution as being necessary to run for president. This is the difference I am talking about.

Especially, just because you duly pay your taxes to the IRS, it does not at all mean that you can run for president. And as a side note, while absentee voting is possible in every state, it differs between states and is sometimes “interesting”.

As always, the devil is in the detail. For a German, the “register to vote” process is something completely foreign.

But, then, America is really a third world country with some rich people living in it (consider their social/medical care).

Actually, both Medicare and Medicaid take care of the poor. Mostly, the people in the US with problems with medical care are those who would have the money, but choose not to insure themselves, and find out later that this was a bad decision. Some call that “freedom of choice”.

So considering all sensible benchmarks, the USA are certainly “first world”.

So considering all sensible benchmarks, the USA are certainly “first world”.

Let’s call that “common modern benchmarks”

I believe “The Colonies” were noted as “New World” when first found by Europeans who were the main travellers of “The First World”
The USA of course would like to relabel things, but I suspect you know people with property older than the USA and the youthful do like to change things. :)

but I suspect you know people with property older than the USA

:-) The pile of rocks that I call “home” predate it.

Saw this earlier today (although it’s a couple of years old, by the look of it). It isn’t technically Brexit but it certainly made me laugh.

However, the graphic was in fact computer generated and an accurate representation not of the number of seats won by each party, but the number of votes they received. Probably – it’s broadly the way I remember it. UKIP did relatively badly in seats per vote, because their vote was spread pretty evenly around the country, whereas the LibDems and especially the SNP did well because their vote was concentrated in particular areas. “Others” even more so.

The Independent gave this headline: Tories claim worst-ever A&E waiting times shows why it’s time to ‘stop Corbyn’

How on earth does years of mismanagement, failed austerity, cutbacks, public sector pay freezes, etc etc become the fault of the guy who’s never been in charge?

If anything, the state of the NHS (and its forthcoming pillaging by Americans) ought to be more than enough reason why it’s important to stop the Tories…

The basis of conservative belief is that everything that goes wrong is someone else’s fault, but everything that goes right is down to one’s own god-given superiority. That is the lens through which the world is regarded and understood.

I am clever, but you are lucky.
I attract investors, but you rely on hand-outs.
I was quoted out of context, but you are a liar.
etc

Portia argues that Shylock can have his pound of flesh so long as he takes no blood. I do not much care what Brexiteers get so long as I and my family can retain the advantages of remaining a European citizen.

I’m quite keen that my European neighbours and friends can retain their rights here in the UK, too.

I am clever, but you are lucky.

Dunning-Kruger (but that barely begins to explain tory behaviour)

That is the lens through which the world is regarded and understood.

So… basically Jacob Rees-Mogg broken down into three simple sentences.

can retain the advantages of remaining a European citizen.

The Brexiteers shot this one down right at the beginning, because some people having European advantages while others did not would be unfair.

What I can’t believe is why people still support this madness. Or why TV is happy to feature Nigel F***ing Farage (who is not even a real UK politician) but they don’t seem to want to include her with the boobies (whats-her-name in charge of the LibDems).

As to the comments from Gavin and Clive – yes. Citizens either side who were legitimately wherever before this nonsense started ought to have implied reciprocal rights.

I know I’ll be a little bit better (so long as the UK doesn’t start deporting Frenchies, and given it’s Little Miss Hitler running the Home Office…) because I exercised my treaty rights. Having said that, I think it should go further on both sides of the Channel. Those who made a committment to another country shouldn’t be screwed because of Brexit. Especially those denied from voting (something of a theme, that, in Britain’s failed democracy).

Dunning-Kruger (but that barely begins to explain tory behaviour)

Given the way BoJo and Rees-Mogg are (you expect them to start arguing with each other in a mixture of Middle English and Latin), I’d suggest maybe Sapir-Whorf as a better explanation.

Those who made a committment to another country shouldn’t be screwed because of Brexit.

Don’t feel singled out, they’re trying to screw everyone except their financial mates.