My First COVID vaccination

And I guess I do know someone that is 100% for sure immune for ever as a result of recovery. She recovered from COVID by dying today, so happy now.

I would never be anything other than sad that someone had died, even someone I disliked.

I was actually referencing a first hand experience of the virus. I think, after 6 months, I’m now largely back to normal. I hope.

All I am arguing, if you read, is that all that we do know is that where there has been reinfection the time period is as little as 45 days.

Ah, that’s the problem. You post so much that reading it all, let alone understanding it all, becomes difficult for those of us who have other things to do.

In another thread you say:

And then you, then me, then you, then me. etc.

And that’s part of the problem I have. You seem to argue ad infinitum, back and forth, back and forth and, as far as I can tell, no progress is made.

I shall not continue this conversation. I don’t see any further point to it. In any case, I have a better thing to do, having inadvertently screwed up the boot disk in my Linux installation.

No vaccine in the history of medicine has provided a better immunity than getting over the same desease provides.

This is completely wrong. So wrong that not even the opposite is true. Nearly every vaccine that carries multiple strains of a virus is better for immunity than the disease itself.

And it is also wrong for SARS-CoV-2 and at least the Biontech and the Moderna vaccine. Measured immune system response is stronger for the vaccine than “the real thing”.

Could you point us at the data you are basing the ‘45 days’ figure for immunity duration? Or is it a direct personal experience from around you? The reason I ask is that if someone is working in an environment where high level exposures may be more common than the norm, then a re-infection can perhaps be more likely. Thus the value may be very different for more general exposures between members of the public.

Going back to the start of this topic. I confess to being a bit alarmed by the idea of vulnerable people having to queue en mass as they wait. It being ‘Outdoors’ isn’t a panacea!

We’re well down the list for the jag. For us then the problem will be that the probable location is some way from us, and we don’t own a car. And have been isolating for specific reasons for some months. So I’m puzzled wrt how we might get to the venue and back safely.

Well thank goodness you’re back to normal! Sounds quite a scary reaction. Which vaccine have you had?

I don’t think my pulse has been that high for decades. I can still do a decent sprint for my age, and we do a daily 4km walk with 110m of ups (and 110m of downs, of course) some of which are steep – but my pulse rarely doubles its 45bpm resting rate.

Wednesday I received the second part of the vaccine. And yesterday I had a notable reaction. Was high fever, bone aches, chills, convulsions, elevated pulse (147 to 152 bpm), and extreme muscle tension. Worse than any illness of my experience, I am glad it was only a vaccine reaction and can only imagine what the virus would be like if the vaccine hit that hard. Today back to normal.

I think we might label that as a near-miss event.
You may get “echoes” of the symptoms.

BTW. How is your sense of taste at the moment? I lost mine for a couple of months.
Chilli or porridge-oats – no real difference.

Having Covid seems to range from “didn’t notice” to “died”.
The version “Long Covid” has been likened to recovering from ebola.

I can imagine a vaccine may trigger milder symptoms as your body gets to grips with this intruder into your immune system. If you get that from the vaccine, it’s a good job you didn’t get the actual virus – sounds like it would not have been pleasant.

Consider yourself lucky that you got the second dose. It seems, due to shortages/arguments/mismanagement, that certain governments might be wanting to “make do” with a single dose. I guess in their minds it’s better to innoculate two million people badly than one million people correctly. Bigger number, see? Politicians are not normally known for their intelligence…

You may want to get a scientist to explain that to you, and maybe a follow up with a contract lawyer.

Well oh dear the EU seem to have acted rather shamefully and unilaterally invoked a clause in the NI protocol to in effect introduce checks on vaccines crossing the border.

Just as our lot were rightly challenged about endangering the NI agreement when they were going to technically break international trade laws then I hope the EU are challanged on this as I am sure this is not going to stop at this little spat and no one wants to given any reason to anyone to endanger the situation in Ireland.

You may want to get a scientist to explain that to you, and maybe a follow up with a contract lawyer.

Possibly not.

On the 31st of December the number of 1st dose inoculations was 786,000 so 21 days later you should expect the second dose total to be that or thereabouts, yes?
However, on January 21st the total second doses was 423,598 – maybe they missed a cut-off date on the stats? So, just to cover that we move to the 28th and the total of second dose inoculations was 440,425.
Surely that should, at the very least, have equalled the December 31 1st dose figures after a time gap of 28 days?

If someone is making those figures up, they also managed to hack the NHS England web site as well:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/

That’s plain ordinary public info.

Well oh dear the EU seem to have acted rather shamefully

Hmm… The reporting on this side of the wet bit is more akin to Britain taking the attitude of “screw your contracts, we make it, we get first dibs”.

So, who is it that is acting shamefully?

So, who is it that is acting shamefully?

Both?

The UK is not saying “first dibs” exactly. It is saying that it has a pre-existing contractual relationship which cannot be reneged upon just because another contract is in jeopardy. The EU can’t complain about the UK demanding specific performance on its contract, when the EU is demanding the same thing.

On the level of common humanity¹, though, I agree with Steve that all parties are acting shamefully. I have recently finished rewatching Babylon 5, which seems a remarkably prescient series in the light of the current world climate. In one episode, one of the worst, most repulsive war criminals in the galaxy, an alien, offers to the Earth government a drug which cures all ills and prolongs life indefinitely. The only trouble is that it is made from the tissue of living beings – so for some on Earth to live forever, many others must die. She predicts that the collapse of the Earth’s society, which will come about when the inhabitants fall upon each other in their frenzy for immortality, will be the greatest monument to her genius. Seems similar to what is currently playing out.

¹ As someone born and living in the UK, I realise that I am lower than pond scum. But for the sake of this discussion, assume I am equal to other humans

all parties are acting shamefully

This. We aren’t arguing about who has the biggest most phallic warhead, this is a vaccination in the midst of a pandemic.

Both sides should compromise, share out what is available fairly, and try to find a way to work together to get production up to capacity as quickly as possible.

I realise that I am lower than pond scum

And, yet, considerably higher and more evolved than Republicans.
[best bit, their religious proclivities imply they won’t ever evolve because they don’t believe in evolution]

Just had mine this morning – Pfizer. No symptoms of anything so far, not even a sore arm.

I received my “National” invitation to participate (70+) a few days ago at a “national” centre 7 or 8 miles away across a fee-paying river crossing, but decided to wait.

Now I’ve had my “local” invite and shall be attending tomorrow at 4pm.

I’m having the Oxford vaccine apparently, which would have been my intuitive first-choice!

My wife and I got our first vaccinations this afternoon. At last! One more step on the road to normality.

Got my first, Pfizer, last Wednesday. Sore arm – which the flu jab a few weeks ago never did – but otherwise fine.

Grace not got her invite yet – she’s 64, I’m 71.

We got our invites today. Snag being that ours are days apart, but I’m my better half’s 24/7 carer. Given that I’m also not particularly well and we’ll have to get a volunteer to drive us that means we both have to go twice! So I’m going to have to contact them and ask for the B88ding obvious – that our jags should be at the same time and place. Which is a pest as the dates given are quite soon and I suspect a change will delay them a fair bit. :-/

Now I’ve had my “local” invite and shall be attending tomorrow at 4pm. I’m having the Oxford vaccine apparently

Well, all done, didn’t feel a thing despite the rolling news programme’s obsession with putting people off with really-long needles, no after effects yet whatsoever!

I really don’t care for this politically correct “Just a little scratch!”: Nothing amusing about that at all! Ooh Matron!

didn’t feel a thing

Depends upon the competence of the person giving the injection.

Having blood samples done (I forget why), a twenty-something female trainee nurse did a perfect painless extraction. She was chatting away, and I asked when she was going to actually do the job (no, I was not looking) and she pointed to four little thingies full of blood. WTF?
A grey haired fairly highly trained male doctor who you’d have thought would have had many years of experience just shoved it in and hoiked out the blood, wobbling every time he changed the little flask thingy. Hurt like hell for days after. Bastard.

“Just a little scratch!”

They probably have to say something, and “scream now” or “this will hurt” are probably not good things to say. ;-)

putting people off with really-long needles

Really long? Longer than the normal ones?

Oh fu………..

Still waiting for “general population” vaccinations here in France.

I’m wondering which will come first – France successfully vaccinating the majoritory of over-75s, or them deciding that giving the vaccination to over-75s is not advisable. ;-)

Got to hand it to the Brits – your vaccination programme is a hell of a lot more competent than the omnishambles on this side of the wet bit.

Got to hand it to the Brits – your vaccination programme is a hell of a lot more competent than the omnishambles on this side of the wet bit.

I used to “joke” in France about the heatwave (remember that? La canicule!) that the French put their old people out of their cars at the side of the motorway to die.

Actually it was their pet dogs and cats they did this with – obviously not all of them, but enough to be significant!

A complex race, the French!

But our track, trace, isolate policies need attention!