Load-up with rubber bullets!

As I write Trump has apparently called in the National Guard to control the protesters he has personally incited to storm the Capitol building.

So that’ll end well, then!

One couldn’t make it up!

The really sad thing is that it brands about half of the US population as loonies!

Judge for yourself which half!

A loser trying to overturn a democratic election.
Confederate flags.
Smashed windows.

These are not the actions of patriots. They are insurrectionists attempting to stage a coup because the election didn’t go their way. They are traitors and must be treated as such.

[personally, I believe that Trump is well aware that he lost, and is now on a mission to break as much as possible before the secret service forcibly eject him from the building (that I’d like to see)]

As I write Trump has apparently called in the National Guard to control the protesters he has personally incited to storm the Capitol building.

“Shots fired” John…

I don’t think the police or National guard are using soft(ish) bouncy stuff.

BTW. Check the info for Giuliani making stronger comments as a “warm up” for Trump. Now there’s a good candidate for an orange uniform.

Yep and both sides are doing it (Dems using Antifa and the other one, and Repubs using no gangs).

Tosh.

As Rick said they lost, and this just shows they think they can hang on with ‘trial by combat’
Given their alternate is being out of power and in jail, tax fraud being high on the list. Any bets on whether the real election steal occurred in 2016?

DC has no national guard

Wrong, wrong, and wrong again.

https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/

(you’re partly right on the “not a state” distinction, this National Guard answers only to the President himself)

Yep and both sides are doing it (Dems using Antifa and the other one, and Repubs using no gangs).

Reminds of the Red-Coats using the pirates and the “Rebels” using just themselves, a lot the same.

Now, if you keep quoting yourself we will just charge you double on your word count.

DC has no national guard (state military).

Really? Must be another National Guard that was called and reported by multiple news media.

DC is not a state

But sits in one and no doubt can call upon the services of theirs, or as Rick has noted have their own

This is an exception I did not know.

Well, somebody has to look after the lawmakers.

we will just charge you double on your word count.

Maybe today, as our honourary American, David might like to suspend his word count in order to respond to commentary on what is a batshit crazy unprecedented situation?

I mean, WTactualF is going on?

As this is one that hits very much home here.

Yeah, I think this might have broken my mother’s heart, had she been around to see this.
She protested LBJ (hey hey LBJ, how many kids did you kill today), she took part in an inauguration of a pig in place of Nixon (which may or may not have been Pigasus?). But this, this is something else entirely.

I mean, WTactualF is going on?

The school yard bully¹ and his cronies are close to having to leave the scene or stand still for an orange suit fitting. So, being a bit worried they are trying to get as many friends as possible to remove their problem.

BTW Rick, do you ever wonder how you can bring up so much documented fact about the USA while living in France and someone living in the USA doesn’t know it?

¹ Every time I see Trump, and this goes back to pre-President days, I am reminded of the blond-haired (and not too bright) bully in Back to the Future.
Trump is a real life Trope

Maybe today, as our honourary American, David might like to suspend his word count in order to respond

And was a response made?

Does he favour insurrection and sedition, or the rule of law?

Is he on the loonie or the sane side of things?

It’s a reminder that the veneer of civilisation is a thin one.

Does he favour insurrection and sedition, or the rule of law?

1. Insurrection
2. Sedition

Something definitely missing – ah yes, tax fraud.
Al Capone claimed to be an honest man, but the tax man proved otherwise. So Trumps got a previously trodden path to follow.

Oh, and sexual assault.

It’s a reminder that the veneer of civilisation is a thin one.

Thinner still when children¹ play with lethal equipment while “shopping for doughnuts”

¹ I shall refrain from repeating one of my fathers sharper comments.
If you think I can be “acidic” at times…

Does he favour insurrection and sedition, or the rule of law?

I was, of course, referring to DavidS, not the president.

Oh, and sexual assault.

You may be on dodgy ground there, in the light of my clarification!

“Leader of the Free World!”

What a total misappropriation of language!

In the US top 10 murder weapons are (in order):

Guns, guns, and guns akimbo – massively more than anything else.

Official source:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls

We have both sides represented in trying to change this election

Stop watching Fox News!

You have one side trying to change the election, and the other side trying to keep the election legitimate.

We have both sides represented in trying to change this election,

I know some Republicans can’t accept the defeat and want to reverse the result.
Who are the others that you think are trying to change the result?

Not true, documented well as not true.

Citation needed. From a reputable source. (Ricks citation is the FBI)

Interesting, and adds more questions than answers.

Question 1: Do you know about the police doing “selfies” with invaders of the building?

Question 2: How about the footage of police letting the invaders in?

Question 3: Why did the Secret Service do a house cleaning exercise and remove Trump supporters from the protection detain for Biden? Brought in senior staff as replacements that served on his protection detail back when he was VP.

The government law enforcement sites of 50 of the states, and many of the individule cities.

Trump mode on full then?

Saying it multiple times doesn’t make it true

If you think the FBI is a repitable source we are on different plannets.

It’s a linked citation. Care to do the same?
Anytime in the next 8 hours, I’ll be back awake then.

our democrocy would …

Repeated many times today. And simply wonder if these people know what nation they represent.

Not sure who you’re quoting or why

Yes, the FBI is reputable.

Kansas City Missouri PD lists guns (broken into gun types) which add up to vastly more than anything else.
https://www.kcpd.org/media/3204/daily-homicide-analysis-december-31-2020.pdf

Maine – of 22 incidents, nine are gun related.
https://www.maine.gov/dps/msp/sites/maine.gov.dps.msp/files/inline-files/028%20Murder.pdf

And so on…

Note: PD and gov sites. No news feeds, aggregators, conspiracy sites, or social media crap. Actual documented reports by the entities concerned.

How about the footage of police letting the invaders in?

The way the BBC described this is that the local police were completely overwhelmed and had no idea of how to handle this. After all, it was us (Brits) that were the last lot to storm the government buildings back in…

Certainly I can’t imagine anybody actually expected Americans to storm their own government – those sorts of things only happen in shithole banana republics, right?

I’m not aware of the selfies part, but that might be an attempt to try to keep things about as civil as possible. When you have a group of people known to be armed meeting an inadequate (in this circumstance) police force, things could get very ugly very quickly. Instead, it looks like only one person ended up being shot.

Suffice to say, this’ll have a lot of repercussions. Not just for the insurrectionists and Trump, but also in the larger picture of security of the house, and the much larger picture of how to deal with a supposed leader spouting such utter crap (something like 60 court cases so far, not one of which has been successful, and calling a senator to ask him to find some extra votes). If there is supposed to be a set of checks and balances in the system, how did things get to where they went today?

Certainly I can’t imagine anybody actually expected Americans to storm their own government – those sorts of things only happen in shithole banana republics, right?

That’s slightly different phrasing than George W. Bush used, but he did use the term banana republic. Didn’t mention Trump by name, but when mentioning incitement and insurrection at the Capitol there is a list of people, with Trump at the very top.

Reportedly, Trump did not send in the National Guard – it was Pence. The guy finally stood up.

Seeing the reactions of today I am not sure if I really like either side. Both are saying things that are complete non-sense.

Trump – outright lies. I suspect he lies to himself.
Trump cronies – lies, fairy stories and general bull
Trump supporters – dupes, usually under-educated. (Check the voter demographic stats on who votes which way. Profile is heavily undereducated white male, not exclusively but strongly)

I think the sum of this day is that people are not very accurately educated, and tend to react in ways that are beyond the understanding of reason and logic.

Substitute “Trump and supporters” for the word “people” and you have it right.

Biden – we need to work together
Democrats generally – repeat info about what Trump and supporters did, initially no one believes because they think that no one is stupid enough to do or say that, whatever “that” may be.

Rest of the world – when is this tosser getting thrown out?