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By being more specific, like:

I struggle to think of anyone who was as wrong about something as Malthus was.

While it could still be interpreted in the previous way, it suggests a personal sense of wrongness, which would be more about them than something they did that was wrong. English is…full of ambiguities.

In which case, Malthus can stand alongside such wrong-about-that people as Thomas J. Watson, Tony Blair, and 17,410,742 British people…

[that said, there’s a fine line between wrong-as-an-idea and wrong-as-an-evil-bastard; one tends to lend itself to enabling the other]

So many things to take account of when moving house now

School catchment areas, future planning permission for nearby open spaces ¹, asbestos report, insect audit of a termite area, insulation level (this economy/ecology rating), waste treatment of not connected to sewer, blah blah blah blah…

¹ So you don’t get a shock like that sweet children’s playground being dug up and replaced with a 100 metre wind turbine…

Anything over 90 metres and I need a different house.

For sea level to rise 90m relative to Sheffield, Sheffield has to do a fair bit of sinking. The total volume of all the ice on Antarctica and Greenland combined is only worth 70m of sea level… (and all the rest of the world’s ice comes to just a few millimetres).

At 35m above sea level here in Greenock I feel fairly safe for what remains of my expectation of life.

At the moment, there is very little evidence that the human race cannot survive almost indefinitely, unless you have a very static understanding of very dynamic processes.

The survival of the human race isn’t in a lot of doubt, short of an unsurvivable global heatwave – which is possible, but unlikely in the short to medium term – but the survival of human civilization, and the continuation of human populations in the billions, is much less certain, even in the medium term.

Anything over 90 metres and I need a different house.

For sea level to rise 90m relative to Sheffield, Sheffield has to do a fair bit of sinking

I don’t currently live there (birth and early years) but speaking of the elevation of Sheffield is talking about a large range:

At its lowest point the city stands just 29 metres above sea level at Blackburn Meadows on the Rotherham border, rising up to over 500 m in some parts of the city to a peak of 548m at High Stones on the Derbyshire border; Ref

Mum’s place is around 60m above sea level, her(our) first house was the other side of Sheffield and somewhat higher. A journey from Walkley Bank to Parkwood Springs¹ was a definite down and up walk.

Edit. In fact it’s up the back of the school
Coo, they put a conservatory on the back (darker roof than the houses to left, which are post 1966)

For some reason Morley Street is in my childhood memory as flat, it isn’t.
Shortcut home either walk down the road turn right and up the alley/gennel (call it what you will) or there was a side gate out of the junior playground half way up.

¹ Grand parents house was 58 Mount Road – tracery of road structure sort of visible in parts adjacent to the ski slope(defunct). I’ve seen shadowy blobs in Google that are about where “my” apple tree should be.

speaking of the elevation of Sheffield is talking about a large range:

Indeed. Did I really write what it appears I did? I must have misread your post and/or have been having a brain malfunction. I was thinking about the height of the house you’d be moving from – I’m well aware that much of Sheffield is below 90m. I have a niece and her family and a nephew and his family living there!

I have a niece and her family and a nephew and his family living there!

Posh bit I presume. I’m guessing not Darnall or Heeley

Posh bit I presume.

Middling. 1960s semis up the hills a bit, west of city centre. Don’t remember the names of the areas.

1960s semis up the hills a bit, west of city centre. Don’t remember the names of the areas.

If you’re heading out to the 1960 boundary area, then Walkley, Loxley, Crookes.

The link I did is down the slope from Walkley Bank. The house I identified (back of) is 15 Walkley Bank Close off Walkley Bank Road, number 15 was built in 1958 and survived the tornado¹.
Central Walkley is older; as testified by the library building.²

¹ What seemed like cardboard flying through the air and past our window were in fact the roof tiles from my friends house along with the odd brick…

2.3 miles from Dransfield Road, where niece & family live. 1960s is a guess, of course. Could be ‘58, I really wouldn’t know.

Can’t find nephew’s address atm.

Niece & nephew are cousins, not siblings. Their parents live near Durham and in Middlesbrough.

Well Dransfield Road is Ranmoor, which is over the hill from where I spent my early life.
It’s a bit further on than where my mate Bernards bike ended up¹ – it was in the loft of their house when the gable end and tiled roof parted company with the rest of the house.

Long time residents of that area will have stories to tell (assuming they were there as kids) as the tornado went over Walkley, Crookes and Ranmoor.

¹ Following the report of such things dropping from the sky Bernards dad went to collect the bike (barely scratched) and got major complaints from the house owner and a viewing of his terminally damaged prize rose bushes

assuming they were there as kids

No. I don’t know where niece’s husband grew up, but niece grew up in a village near Durham. I think they’ve been in Dransfield Road nearly twenty years.

I think we need to rename Aldershot to Upnorthsomewhere, or Anywherebutsurreyeventhoughitsinhampshire :)

Sheffield is Not North. It’s way down south – well over half way down to London!

Sheffield is Not North. It’s way down south – well over half way down to London!

Indeed.

Sheffield is Not North. It’s way down south

Dad used to say North Midlands.
It’s barely in Yorkshire – what ever you do don’t talk to born and bred North Derbyshire residents about the Mosborough townships area of Sheffield…

Sheffield is Not North.

Pah. Anything north of Watford is The North.

Moors and mills ¹ and mines ¹ and smog and brass bands and flat caps and accents that need subtitles. When I were your age…

😋

¹ Until Thatcher.

Having moved from way south of Sheffield to way north of Sheffield a couple of months back, and not be able to mix, it’s going to take some time to get my ear in on the local range of accents.

Moors and mills and mines

Sounds like Cornwall to me :)

and smog

Yeah, well the atmosphere got cleaner when lots of factories shut.
I hadn’t seen evil thick smog for years, no decades, until we did a cross channel trip and went up past the Dunkirk miasma. No Thatcher there. It did make me wonder about the French comments about UK pollution though.

Pah. Anything north of Watford is The North.

Watford Gap, surely? Otherwise a fair chunk of the M25 is in The North.

It works both ways. As far as BNFL was concerned, Bolton was South.

Having moved from way south of Sheffield to way north of Sheffield a couple of months back, and not be able to mix,

Interesting. We moved from way south of Sheffield (Ely, Cambs) to way north of it (Greenock, Inverclyde) 20 months ago. We’ve never found mixing hard at all, nor understanding our neighbours. (But then, we lived far further north still – Stornoway – 1986-89, and Edinburgh 1989-91.)

Watford Gap, surely? Otherwise a fair chunk of the M25 is in The North.

I was south of the Thames – just barely, by the south end of Tower bridge, and one of the regulars of the pub said my friend and I had “fanny axints” and “you frum up norf?”

It turned out that “north” started not too far away, and he claimed that the pub we were in was the furthest north he had ever been. His friend said this was a lie because he had seen him on the bit of the bridge that was over the water.

As far as BNFL was concerned, Bolton was South.

I have a friend who will be “overjoyed” (NOT) to be labelled a “Southerner” – mind you he supports Bolton Wanderers FC, so obviously not “playing with a full set” :)

I used to do a lot of travelling around the country for canoe slalom competitions. Having chatted to lots of people on the campsites, I came the conclusion that “the far north” was 70 miles north of where the speaker lived.

Otherwise a fair chunk of the M25 is in The North.

Yes, the northern bit. :-p

Sounds like Cornwall to me :)

There are similarities. That’s The West. They have dragons.

I came the conclusion that “the far north” was 70 miles north of where the speaker lived.

It’s possibly worse here, as people didn’t move about much until cars.

A neighbour that we used to know (since died) used to talk about her sister “a l’étranger”. Turns out that the place she considered an alien land was St. Malo in the same département (county). Her sister saw the distance as “two hours by car, three if you go on the motorway” (via Rennes) whereas the neighbour saw it as “more than a week by horse” (using a trap).

Nice gag in the Sine Nomine presentation – you might not realise how much of the north there is, if you live down south.

:) :) :)