GitHub and trust

I take it that you never read Neuromancer? God help us if the internet evolves into that.

Technically Neuromancer is not foreseeing the Internet, ARPANET was started in 1966 and Neuromancer is from 1984. It came out while FIDONet was born thought, early FIDONet glimpse were between 1983 and 1984. I mean ever WarGames came before Neuromancer, so, I personally do not consider it a book foreseen the Internet, because, by that point there were already many glimpses of it: ARPANet, FIDONet, WarGames, “Understanding Media”, “A Logic Named Joe”, “Fahrenheit 451”, “The Naked Sun”

As for Zoom, Skype, Facetime, etc… Mark Twain had that sussed in 1898.

indeed, and also so many have fantasized of the video-conference including also early sci-fi movies.

I haven’t read the book, but the internet and its problems and dangers was predicted in 1962:

Yes, “Understanding Media” is the only one I am aware of that truly foreseen the Internet as we use it, there are few others I have listed above that even pre-date it like “A Logic Named Joe” which is from 1946. Also “Fahrenheit 451” should be from the ’50s. Asimov only one I am ware of is “The Naked Sun” which pretty much talks of us preferring to interact electronically than in real life.

The movie 2001 (from 1969) has the characters using tablets and they’re connected.

Star Trek (1966) electronic clipboard style.
Basically, one of a lengthy list of things Apple didn’t invent.

Basically, one of a lengthy list of things Apple didn’t invent.

Spot on true! Apple has been taking ideas from Startrek and others by long time.

Also I am loving this topic divergence, it’s highlighting how many have also copied each other without mentioning the sources ;)

..damn you GitHub, you are truly unveiling them all!!!! XD

Mercifully, I can no longer log in to GitHub.

Why? What did you do to it?

I think it detected that I was a grumpy old bugger.

XD

oh boy! Well, I’ll miss you there then. Hopefully you’ll be able to login again one day!

http://clive.semmens.org.uk/Opinion/Inventing.html

Having the idea of an electronic clipboard – computer tablet, iPad, whatever – is actually the easy bit, part one of the four and a half parts of the process of invention described in my article…

Nice reading Clive thanks for sharing it!

In the specific case of Apple, the reason behind “stealing the ideas” from major movies is not that they lack ideas. It’s purely a commercial reason: After people have seen an “iphone-like” on a mainstream moive, they will understand the new product out for sale much quickly and with less effort from Apple’s side. Not to mention the excitement for the possibility to own something that (even if subconciously) one may have desired even once.

I guess this link can be added to this thread.

Basically Meta got upset that we were talking only about GitHub evilness, so they have decided to beat everyone we have mentioned:

https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/12/meta_ios_privacy/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=auto&utm_content=article

Please do not answer “I do not use meta/I don’t have facebook”, this specific accusation can have wide repercussions, included if you just own a website that might be opened inside a meta app for iOS by someone.

I don’t use Facebook, but there’s nothing I can do for those who do. They’ve already sold their soul to the devil.

Given Facebook Pixel and Cambridge Analytica, Facebook/Meta have already shown their true colours. The faster the whole lot burns in the fires of hell ¹, the better.
However, at work I keep seeing the distinctive blue and white app layout because oh shiny… 🤦

¹ Which I don’t believe in, but I’m sure I can think up some sort of real world equivalent, like two thousand metres under Mount Rainier, or Slough…

I wish it was that simple Rick :(

If you are a musician, you must use social media. If you run certain type of business you must use social media.

I understand your point, but as I said, this particoular problem is wider than just saying “I don’t use Facebook”, there is more to it and that also combines with what we have been saying. Even not “using facebook” still makes them being able to collect a profile about the non-facebook users. This has been discussed in many more authoritative sources than this forum.

There is plenty of literature on the matter, here is a quick article: https://www.vox.com/2018/4/20/17254312/facebook-shadow-profiles-data-collection-non-users-mark-zuckerberg

Some of us are trying to take this platform forward, Steffen.

I know. I sometimes feel however that some who try to do something good for the platform are doing it in a very inefficient way, and I am always interested to find out why.

Rick has answered that: he uses old-school tooling and does things on RISC OS because of the intellectual challenge. Fine with me.