New Dedicated hardware For RO64 - speculations

Take it, pay some programmers to get it do, voilà. Easy

This^10.

Not all of us crap money. I could suspect a 64-bit conversion is under way under the radar to not affect current sales, that makes sense.

The hope is that the same interest have agreement with a hardware designer to make desktop- and laptop computers using the appropriate CPU- and GPU’s for reasonable pricing.

Using the ARM Immortalis-G925 as GPU could enable a realtime-raytraced desktop in eyecandy-mode with a jazzed-up RISC OS semi-3D Desktop as default. And “TopModel+” must be written to support its features.

Yes,I’m a dreamer, but not the only one. 64-bit RISC OS must be.. spectacular.

Affect current sales? Biggest laugh I’ve had all day.

Not all of us crap money.

Does anybody crap money? What a bizarre thing to say.

I could suspect a 64-bit conversion is under way under the radar

That is doubtful; but in the extremely unlikely event that it is, I trust ROOL and ROD will talk to each other so we don’t end up with two. 😋

to not affect current sales

What sales?

have agreement with a hardware designer to make

I really don’t think we, or our market, is that important. If you think you might be able to shift a few hundred thousand units then maybe companies will talk to you…

…or had you not noticed that the Cloverleaf initiative arrived with great fanfare, failed to raise the cash they needed, tried again with great fanfare and a much lower amount (that was raised) and… sorta fizzled out. It also looks like ArtCube has been scrubbed from the site and replaced by PhotoDesk. Shame, as that’s the only thing that interested me. Either way, if big projects for current incarnations run aground, what makes you think that 64 bits would be a magical solution? We’ve been over this, but you keep bleating this nonsense like a sheep in a state of perpetual buffering.

spectacular

I feel like there’s supposed to be a word following that tells the truth.

Not all of us crap money.

Modern stuff is too scratchy to even use for a wipe, sunshine.

Modern stuff is too scratchy to even use for a wipe, sunshine.

Not as absorbent as classic currency, I find.

Modern stuff is too scratchy to even use for a wipe, sunshine.

C’mon Steve, you’re an NHS guy. You don’t remember Izal Medicated?

You don’t remember Izal Medicated?

Good old San Izal? Used in all the schools I went to in my infant/junior years.
Absolutely perfect size tracing paper for young kids, with a convenient dispense system and easy tear-off, never understood why they put the dispense systems into the WC though.

Does anyone dispute that 32-bit RISC OS can only use a tiny fraction of the functionality and performance of modern ARM CPU’s, and none in their GPU’s which leaves VIDC in the dust? Add that the best ARM CPU’s don’t even support 32-bit mode, and where does that leave 32-bit RISC OS? Up the creek!

…never understood why they put the dispense systems into the WC though.

One side for scraping; the other for polishing!

You don’t remember Izal Medicated?

You mean Izal Cleminson? Didn’t he play in SAHB?

You mean Izal Cleminson? Didn’t he play in SAHB?

Ah, Zal.
Reminds me of sessions in the 5th and 6th form common room, with my friend¹ wearing out his copy of the live album.

¹ Derek, of Iron Maiden record cover fame

My idea for starting this thread is to analyze the best “New Acorn” computer to cater for graphical design, both 2D and 3D, and add a MIDI-interface as standard. Yes, we’re talking 64-bit RISC OS here. Sold for around 700UKP minus monitor.

ARM BBC BASIC runs fast on the Raspberry Pi 5!

My idea for starting this thread is to analyze the best “New Acorn” computer to cater for graphical design, both 2D and 3D, and add a MIDI-interface as standard. Yes, we’re talking 64-bit RISC OS here. Sold for around 700UKP minus monitor.

If you want to do graphical design on ARM hardware then obviously you’d buy a Mac. However, this might be an alternative for people who want to run Linux. Then if someone was really keen to make a new Acorn, they could update ROX and adapt an emulator so that 32 bit RISC OS apps can run alongside modern Linux software on an Acorn-style user interface. That way you’re not wasting your time creating a new 64 bit OS with no users and no software.

Having said that, I’m not sure many people would use the new Acorn. I think I’d probably stick with my Mac + a Raspberry PI for when I take the notion to play around with RISC OS.

My idea for starting this thread is to

…spam the forum with more “64 bit yay!” cheerleading.

There. Fixed that for you.

computer to cater for graphical design, both 2D and 3D

Pointless. The best graphical design software exists elsewhere, which is the sort used by the pros. Maybe if somebody threw enough money, they might be able to access the sources to port it, but why do that when a fully functional system already exists, like some sort of Mac?

and add a MIDI-interface as standard.

A what now? This isn’t 1990. MIDI stuff sold these days has a USB socket on the back. Why d’you think I wrote my MIDI module clone?

And, here it is:

Yes, we’re talking 64-bit RISC OS here.

Yup. Predictable. Not even going to bother…

There are a few tribal Families who appear to do so. Go plop, plop in Zug.

My concern is that RISC OS, the most productive system I’ve ever used, is that it was designed for the ARM2 which CPU/GPU philosophy has evolved magnitudes beyond its comparatively humble 4MIPS beginning. The ARMV8.2 CPU instruction set doesn’t even support 32-bit mode, for Heaven’s sake. And RISC OS is not able to run or even recognize modern ARM Ltd. GPU’s like their rabidly poverfull Immortalis-G925 which could give us pretty cool ray-traced Desktop even in stereo mode. RISC OS 64 can be.. spectacular. And booting from ROMs would take under two seconds even with a ton of fonts. Could it be Crowdfunded.

RISC OS, the most productive system I’ve ever used

Most of us are no longer stuck in the 1990s, when that was possibly true for quite a few people.

In the 2020s, RISCOS has a few niche uses for a few folks – mainly (possibly only) because we’re familiar with it, not because it’s intrinsically superior to any alternatives.

Having a Linux laptop with 16 4.3GHz cores and both Nvidia and AMD graphics cards driving 3 screens, I decided see if I could run a “ray-traced desktop”, but I found there isn’t one in stereo or even plain old mono – strange that isn’t it? If the Linux bods with all that massively capable PC hardware available haven’t done it, the there’s not much chance of it coming to a Pi 5 any time soon. Or just maybe no one has ever seen the point in ray-tracing the desktop of any sort computer.

P.S. ROMs ain’t been a thing for 20 years now.

s/Could it be Crowdfunded/Should he be Sanctioned/

Hi Sveinung Wittington Tengelsen,

RISC OS, the most productive system I’ve ever used,

I’m interested in your perspective and experience. What kinds of productivity tasks do you use RISC OS for, and what RISC OS-based software do you use?

Or just maybe no one has ever seen the point in ray-tracing the desktop of any sort computer.

I wouldn’t have wasted the time. It’s basically word salad by this point, isn’t it?

P.S. ROMs ain’t been a thing for 20 years now.

Plus they’re a fixed point in time. I’d rather take an extra second to load the OS from media so I can benefit from the ability to easily update.

Example? Yesterday I dug out an old Pi 1 and replaced the OS (from circa 2013) with the OS and firmware on the 3B+ (March of this year).
Easy enough with ShareFS.

s/Could it be Crowdfunded/Should he be Sectioned/

There, just change one letter and delete the following and…fixed that for you. ;)

It’s basically word salad

Nah, that might be more interesting.

There, just change one letter and delete the following and…fixed that for you. ;)

“Sectioned” is the one I was thinking of, the number three is coming up top of the list.

It’s also the word I’d thought I’d written!

That’s autocorroboration for you! (My fingers do those things all on their own – they hear what the voice in my head is saying, and type what they think they heard. Even with autocorroborate turned off.)