Topic to complain about AI

Don’t fall into the trap. Google doesn’t decide what is and isn’t authoritative. It simply tracks what is popular (by how often the link is followed) and popular rises to the top, which makes it something of a self fulfilling prophecy given the number of people that’ll just follow the top link…

Falling for what??? I can assure I know this guys and what they do really well. The one suggested using google was Druck, you may want to have a chat with him on “who’s falling for whatever you’re trying to say here”.

Oh and NO, google doesn’t “simply just track what is popular”, if you want I can provide you technical details on how their so called “algorithm” work, but it’s a lot more complicated than you describe and also considers the specific user who’s requesting the search, the country where the results will be displayed, the Government’s of that country requirements and a lot more variables.

Correction: More and more people that know how to are blocking adverts.

Correction: More and more people simply installed uBlock Origin, to the point that Google is trying to ban it from being installable on Chrome.

Setting up things like DNS blocking or PiHole are not skills that the average user has.

???? Rick, my friend, where are you living? On a cloud? People are just installing uBlock Origin (read up) and a few others. it’s one click install.

I never have and never will. I have too much self respect to force people who willingly choose to read the crap

Wowowowow! M8, that is extremely rude! There is NO lack of selfrespect in allowing ads on a site. Don’t be rude and judge people, you’re not above everyone, you’re one of us, so come down to earth, stop commenting like you’re special. You don’t enable ads just because it’s your choice not to. That is the English you were seeking for m8 ;)

True, but there’s also the factor of how much utter rubbish this generates. If you look at what trends, you’ll start to see a pattern of the same creators being repeated quite frequently – often “the sidemen” and “Mr Beast” (I have no idea who either of those are, it’s just something I notice given my YouTube player starts at the “trending” screen by default).

My YouTube shows me tech channels with tech content. Randomly trieds to throw in the mix some political party stuff (which systematically gets ignored). You can improve the “algorithm” by telling it what you’re not interested into.

However, Twitter, on the other hand, tries to push controvertial content all the time, but that is simply because Musk has lost control there. There are now more bots than ever before. But this is not ads, this is just bots.

Ah, but there’s a big logical flaw in your argument. The GUI was an attempt to make a more user-friendly interface.

Which failed and we went back to the “Wizards” which are nothing more than the Terminal data flow re-implemented for UIs… Looks like you’ven’t got a clue here my friend. And not happy with that, we moved to Web UIs because they were supposed also to solve some of the issues from traditional GUIs… And now we have the UX people because even Web UIs are not solving… oh well lol

AI, on the other hand, is this bizarre fantasy where far too many think it’ll ingest the entirety of Reddit and spit out the cure for cancer.

Correction: Generative AI, not AI. AI is an umbrella term under which there are so many disciplines now, some of which works perfectly fine and has been used succesfully for many many years. What you’re talking about is Generative AI or, in short, GenAI. Not AI ;)

Yes, I fully agree. But I also agree that one should feel free to argue down the hype because

Sure, again everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I have created this topic so everyone can flesh out whatever they think without polluting another thread which is about a tool being developed for who’s interested into it (and there are many interested into it, look also at the topic views), and some have already reported that there is too much noise in it, they just want the tool’s updates and notifications.

Don’t fall into the trap. Google doesn’t decide what is and isn’t authoritative. It simply tracks what is popular (by how often the link is followed) and popular rises to the top, which makes it something of a self fulfilling prophecy given the number of people that’ll just follow the top link…

Lookup Google EAT. It stands for expertise, authority and trust. That is one of Googles ranking factors where they actually employ people to go through websites and rate them by following a guide. They do decide what is authoritative.

Websites are not ranked by simply the click-through rate. It would be too easy to abuse by setting up a click bot network.

Lookup Google EAT.

Don’t. It’s a mass of SEO nonsense.

But what I gleaned:

• Sites are indeed ranked by click-through rate, and various other algorithms. (they’ll even send you an email telling you how many clicks you had in a month, most popular searches, etc etc)
• Google contracts about 10-12 thousand people around the world to evaluate the search results.
• EAT meaning Expertise, Authoritativeness and Trustworthiness is applied to the creator of the content, the content itself, and the site that the content is on (in that order).
• Anybody willing to cough up money can get a leg up on all of the others.
• There’s a large SEO industry that revolves around trying to game the system

It would be too easy to abuse by setting up a click bot network.

Actually Google is wise to that and have been for a long time. The metrics aren’t published for obvious reasons, but if it looks to them like a bot is trying to promote a particular site, it’ll get demoted.

The only “easy” way to get a good rank is to part with cash. :/

if you want I can provide you technical details on how their so called “algorithm” work

No you can’t, unless you work for Google and telling anybody is going to be a career ending event.
There’s a reason they don’t disclose how their algorithms work. If people knew, the results would be even worse than they currently are thanks to all the scum gaming the system (even more than currently).

considers the specific user who’s requesting the search, [etc]

Sure, that is correct, but at it’s most basic level without all of the interference, there’s a set of sites that match a particular phrase and those sites are ranked as being more or less relevant. Again, trustworthiness and such, it’s not a simple result, but chances are that if I searched for the exact same phrase as you (the, what was it, saving a file or something?) I’d get very similar results.

Correction: More and more people simply installed uBlock Origin, to the point that Google is trying to ban it from being installable on Chrome.

Correction: Android Chrome doesn’t support plugins, period. As more and more people use more and more mobile devices, your “just install UBlock” becomes less relevant because that means also installing Firefox first. And Brave has…issues… And all of this is a particular set of skills that the average person doesn’t have (and probably doesn’t care about if they’re young enough to think that all of this is normal).

???? Rick, my friend, where are you living? On a cloud?

Paolo, my friend, where are you living? Under a rock?

Increasing amounts of people are using mobile devices. I’ve already said that Chrome there doesn’t work with plugins, and maybe you’ve noticed but more and more sites are being hostile to browser users if they’re on a mobile device, trying for all their worth to push you to their app.
And, guess what, no amount of UBlock will help there. Instead one must find alternative means, such as a fake VPN provider acting as a firewall, or rooting the device……
…..and suddenly you can understand why the sort of person that spends their break time scrolling the junk on Facebook (in the app, no less) will not be your target demographic for knowing how to get rid of the advertising.

Don’t be rude and judge people, you’re not above everyone, you’re one of us,

I’m not above anybody, but I feel – given the endless whack-a-mole with system and browser vulnerabilities, that I am perfectly able to judge somebody who feels it is okay to expect their visitors to run unvetted unverified third party content. More specifically content that isn’t created by the owner of the site you’re visiting, that the owner has no particular control over, and may be extremely problematic.

I’ll give you an example from a few years back. Orange has a service where you can buy things online and it’ll get charged to your next phone bill. Everybody with a brain turns this off because, and this happened: I went to a site. An innocuous enough site, I think it was for some info on Minitel or whatever. That site had advertising, as is all too common. One of the adverts was about how my phone suddenly had oh so many viruses. I could get rid of them. Click the OK button to do so, or Cancel to be at risk. Obviously I tapped on the Cancel button as my phone has it’s own antivirus stuff. Next thing I get is an SMS from Orange telling me that my Internet+ purchase has been declined because I deactivated the service.
So, literally, this random advert on this random site tried to steal from me.
My mother had malware slung at her, from a cross stitch site, of all things, and I’ve had numerous APKs suddenly start to download, that when I sent one to VirusTotal it went nuts with red flags everywhere.

Now, most online advertising isn’t quite such a horrific wild west these days, but you’re still asking people to allow content that you didn’t create and aren’t responsible for to run on their systems.
That’s a hard no from me. No matter how much I trust you, I don’t trust them.

And that’s why there’s no advertising on my site. I’m not a hypocrite, I practice what I preach.

Plus, the amount of revenue I’m likely to pull in isn’t worth the hassle. I simply ask that if my site has been useful, consider tossing a few quid at Rob for hosting it for me. Not me, him.

Which failed and we went back to the “Wizards”

I think wizards were an attempt to dumb something down for those who couldn’t manage a UI.

On the other hand, and I can’t believe I’m defending the dreadful things, sometimes the UI designers are arses. The Windows networking configuration is way more complicated that it ought to be.
[RISC OS isn’t much better, but at least that’s sort of thematically organised; the interface, the lookup, the gateway…]

You can improve the “algorithm” by telling it what you’re not interested into.

I use NewPipe specifically because it doesn’t track, profile, and analyse. So my “trending” reflects what’s actually trending on YouTube and not the little bubble they would show me if they could.
It’s always a cheer moment for me when Veritasium or Sabine get listed.

Looks like you’ven’t got a clue here my friend.

It’s Monday. I’m usually clueless on Monday, well more clueless than normal. Because…Monday. Ugh.

It’s foggy outside. It’s been foggy since the afternoon of the 31st. Can I hibernate? Crawl under my blanket and not come out until the spring?

And not happy with that, we moved to Web UIs because they were supposed also to solve some of the issues from traditional GUIs…

Oh, yes. Just like mobile. Make things take up the entire screen and barely multitask, and this is supposed to be progress.

And now we have the UX people because even Web UIs are not solving…

I think everybody is wrestling with the “how do we merge mobile/web and desktop UIs?”.
The short simple answer is “you don’t”. They’re different things that are used in different ways. It’s like asking how to merge a frying pan and a microwave oven. Both can make an omelette, but differently.

Didn’t stop Microsoft breaking Windows attempting it, though.

Correction: Generative AI, not AI.

I know, you know, but the man on the street just calls it “AI”.
(as do most adverts for those “this app can create barely dressed anime babes” apps)

they just want the tool’s updates and notifications.

That’s the sort of thing that, once upon a time, one would have used an RSS feed for.

Don’t make this all about google, I could have suggested any search engine. The point is they take you to websites, and its up to you go to the website which offers the authoritative data on the subject. In this case riscosopen.org – which for me was the first two results, riscos.com the second two, then two for Steve Fryatt and another two riscosopen.org.

But it could have been half way down the second page on a subject plagued with web spammers, you have to use your brain to work out what is reputable, AI just shovels whatever shit it finds the most of and you’ve no idea where it has come from.

Increasing amounts of people are using mobile devices. I’ve already said that Chrome there doesn’t work with plugins,

Correction: Orion Browser, whcih runs on Android, iOS and comes with integrated ad Blocker. uBlock Origin on macOS, Windows and Linux and on CHrome, FIrefox and there is also an editon for Safari.

Bah I give up here, clearly the info you have are not up-to-date…

I’m not above anybody, but I feel – given the endless whack-a-mole with system and browser vulnerabilities, that I am perfectly able to judge somebody who feels it is okay to expect their visitors to run unvetted unverified third party content.

Don’t try to justify yoru actions, you literraly said that people who enable ads on their website have no selfrespect. I have got news for you, you haven’t got a bloody clue about people, so don’t go around play judge. And no you have NO reason, NO knowledge, literally nothing to be able to judge people (neither do I or anyone else on here). So let’s drop this, I am sure you didn’t mean to be as disrespectful at it looks by reading that comment of yours.

I think wizards were an attempt to dumb something down for those who couldn’t manage a UI.

Wizards were the only way to get some users feel like something was easy. The problem with GUIs is that they can get overwealming with users. The king of nonsense UI (over the years) has become an App that was created first on RISC OS actually: Sibellius 7… literaly unusable today :(

[RISC OS isn’t much better, but at least that’s sort of thematically organised; the interface, the lookup, the gateway…]

Indeed, but we also have lost count of the folks that left the gateway setup when they switched to DHCP. Ahem…. XD

Oh, yes. Just like mobile. Make things take up the entire screen and barely multitask, and this is supposed to be progress.

Now we’re talking, this exactly this. The ethernal going back and forth and calling both progress. Ain’t Cloud Client/Server where the server is just someone elses server? XD

Even AI: we started developing modern neural network on the Archimedes, because it was faster than anything else there was before, it only lost the crown because of no common FPA (NN use a lot of FP, but we use just a sort of FP16, not even FP32 on them). NN need a lot of resources (we have seen it with OpenAI), but ARM is still a leading platform in AI, the new Apple M4 Max is just plain impressive to run GenAI models.

It’s always a cheer moment for me when Veritasium or Sabine get listed.

Same. Thankfully Sabine gets listed systematically, Veritassium a little less thought.

I think everybody is wrestling with the “how do we merge mobile/web and desktop UIs?”.

Indeed, but after so many years writing software for so many customers and even more users with the Open Source stuff, I also think it’s not possible to write a good UI. The ethernal battle between “more features” and “where the heck do we put the input fields and the output pannels” it’s just that, (as you said) we can’t.

Apple keeps hiding stuff around and then add “searches” because no one knows where things are anymore. The new idea (kinda from Microsoft actually, but done better, typical), is to unify macOS configuration with iOS configuration, so, at least, a user has to learn one thing.

That’s the sort of thing that, once upon a time, one would have used an RSS feed for.

Are you calling us old folks???? how dare you! XD – Oh and yeah, I think everyone here is using Sargasso, no?

Don’t make this all about google, I could have suggested any search engine.

Sure and the results would probably have been the same or even more exotic! The problem remain: RISC OS is a niche, no one (but us) cares about it, so we cannot assume what works for Windows (as infrastructural content etc.) will work the same for RO.

I am happy to work with you and check multiple sources out.

People are just installing uBlock Origin

Actually, lots of people browse from behind firewall/proxy systems like OpenDNS, where not blocking adverts is a divergence from default.
Then the sites fight back by blocking people who block ads, this one is entertaining in that it only sometimes blocks when the embedded ads are blocked and the ad sites concerned vary.

Are you calling us old folks?

66+ and going on 18 in most cases. :)

I know this is Aldershot but really?

So some people don’t like “AI” or its creep in to RISC OS, in a fashion, but history here is littered with the no brigades, like pah only machine code will do etc, and look where thats got us.

People curious with RISC OS will I’m sure welcome something that feels a little more in keeping with how they interact today.

Yes “old skool” may be better but not all documentation is up to date or correct either and the bounty to update it is not progressing in leaps or bounds so if you like that method why not spend some time updating that documentation?

Surely there is room for both approaches and if it gets us some more publicity then why not and if you don’t like it then stick to what you like, safe in the knowledge its the same as it always was.

Just my “uninformed opinion”

Sargasso was a great find when returning to RISC OS semi-recently. I also use QuiteRSS on Windows and Linux.
Whilst I probably scan the headlines more than previously, still believe it saves me time with regards to not visiting multiple news websites unless specifically interested in a post or news item.
Also use ‘Feeder’ on Android as can side load (do not have google play or account on my devices).
As we are country based also good for keeping an eye on emergency alerts (bush fires etc).
If a site has a RSS feed let them know that you use it and like it so they keep the service available.

sites that have RSS feeds (that i monitor):
ROOL Forum
RISCOSITORY
The Icon Bar
Phoronix
AnandTech (sadly closed down this year)
OSNews
The Register
Distrowatch.com
CFS_SA (country fire service)

Oh and for people who like relevant announcements the ROOL feed excludes ‘Aldershot’ which I agree with as one can get bogged down in here too easily….

@ Doug

Please always feel free to express your opinion. This forum should never ever be ran by a few with weird ideas.

If I sometimes appear to be against something is for technical reasons, that should be explained in order to overcome a “show stop”, nothing else.

As a couple of side notes for anyone:

- Please do not worry of the few being against it, the project goes on and I couldn’t care less of few (albeith repetitive) strongly opinionated complains.
- The amount of people checking the project thread every day, the feedback I am receiving every day, says clearly the majority of this community (including the silent side) IS interested in the project.

I find some of the points made rather difficult to fathom.

• RISC OS is niche, so search engines wont find it – the web was built on niche interests, search engines will find them no mater how exotic.

• Documentation isn’t up to date – so we need AI, to hallucinate some up for us?

• People now expect to interact with AI (!) – so won’t mind inaccurate information?

I applaud any effort to update RISC OS or expand it’s audience, but I really think there are more useful things that could be done than making a generative AI with all the known and intractable failings of that overhyped technology.

To your points:

RISC OS is niche, so search engines wont find it – the web was built on niche interests, search engines will find them no mater how exotic.

NO, Google for example has started to filter out websites that do not have HTTPS. Also while it “finds” a site, it’s dumber than an LLM (this is the point, don’t try to switch things around). Read again my example of the modern and small footprint OS search. Putting RISC OS on first page is plain wrong and will make people waste time to figure out it’s not what they are looking for. hence these two tools are on very similar level. Technically Google search hallucinated there m8.

You are obviously aware that they had to rush and introduce AI because people started to stop usign Google in favor of AI based search engines, right?

Documentation isn’t up to date – so we need AI, to hallucinate some up for us?

NO, again. I am fixing what I can find thanks to the help of people, CERTAINLY NOT YOUR HELP.

People now expect to interact with AI (!) – so won’t mind inaccurate information?

After reading a lot of stuff posted on this forum, in all honesty my friend, AI hallucinations are the least of the issues ;)

I applaud any effort to update RISC OS or expand it’s audience, but I really think there are more useful things that could be done than making a generative AI with all the known and intractable failings of that overhyped technology.

You say so, but you’ve complained also about my work to get Samba working again with RISC OS and avoid Windows users to lower their Windows security to share stuff with RISC OS. You managed to complain also about Gerph’s work, because it wasn’t in latest Python. I am not really sure where your “applaud” is to be honest. but I guess, maybe, it’s a very polite and quiet one, countrary of the loud and repetitive complains.

Now here is my question to you: I shared the work to ensure people and NAS can still share files with RISC OS in March 2023, we are at the end of the 2024 and there is NO trace yet of a modern SMB client for RISC OS (and again, even if there were, there would still be plenty of people using old vintage RISC OS).

I am actually waiting to see a nice, positive comment of yours for someone effort on here.

Hey @Paolo,

There are lots of people here who value your innovative contributions to RISCOS but it’s also totally fine for anyone to voice dissenting views on a public forum. Try not to let that bother you and keep up the good work!

Google for example has started to filter out websites that do not have HTTPS

On typical Google fashion, it’s very half arsed.
Chrome, on Android. Find a site, click link. Blank page, it just loads nothing.
Why? Because it’s a redirect via Google (part of their click tracking) and it won’t follow through with http only links.
Call up the URL bar, delete all the tracking crap and the Google prefix and you’ll have the URL which, SURPISE! works.

like pah only machine code will do etc, and look where thats got us.

I think you’ll find the people that have espoused those sorts of opinions on recent times have not had anything useful to contribute.
;)
[one was such drivel that the forum needed to be detoxed afterwards]

We can’t even bother to argue Zap vs StrongEd any more. Did you notice, the other day, how many minutes elapsed until Fred popped up with a useful response to a question? That’s better than you can expect from actual companies of software that was paid for.

Bah I give up here, clearly the info you have are not up-to-date…

I’ll leave you with three anecdotes.

The first is a woman at work. Her phone wasn’t charging. I asked if she had restarted it (I avoided using the term reboot). She had no idea what that meant and didn’t want to try anything. She did allow me to plug in a battery pack and… nothing. Not a peep.
Next day the battery was critically low and she was panicking because she couldn’t retrieve her photos to put onto her new phone. Eventually the battery ran out and the phone shut down. I counted to ten and plugged in the battery…and the phone started to charge. The woman had gone to the shop, spoken to the expert who said her phone had packed up, and sold her a replacement for several hundred euros when all the thing needed was a kick in the arse (a restart).

Anecdote 2 – one of the managers googles the company name to get to the company website. The website which is the company name without spaces and “.fr” stuck to the end.

Most people that I’ve seen on social media in the break room (which isn’t many, but maybe a dozen that I’ve observed) do so by switching apps, not browser tabs.

You know there are different browsers, I know there are different browsers, I’d imagine many people here know what stuff like NoScript is and are following this discussion perfectly well enough.

But out there? The “general public”? Not so much.
Just remember, back in the day, how many thought the little blue ‘e’ was “the internet”.

Anyway, I guess we’re going to have to agree to disagree, or something. ;)

maybe, it’s a very polite and quiet one, countrary of the loud and repetitive complains.

Isn’t that just the nature of Brits? The Aussies don’t call us whinging poms for nothing.
[I think I’ve already mentioned this in the past?!?]

says clearly the majority of this community (including the silent side) IS interested in the project.

Given the mess that ChatGPT spat out, something that understands the OS is an improvement. It could be, as was noted with the Google searches, useful to aid new users – especially given that the system is notably different to most of the others. If it’s possible to ask natural language questions “how do I…” and get coherent responses, that will be a huge improvement over searching a plethora of websites and documentation, that might give conflicting information. Do we want to bore newbies with the history of the schism and why they are not us (to the point where they don’t mention 5 at all) and why 5 is more recent than 6? Or would it just be better to calmly explain stuff like what I filetype is.
Sometimes people just want a question answered.
This is where your project can make a big difference.

why 5 is more recent than 6

Perhaps we should turn it all the way up to 11.

🤘

Hey Nikko

There are lots of people here who value your innovative contributions to RISCOS but it’s also totally fine for anyone to voice dissenting views on a public forum. Try not to let that bother you and keep up the good work!

Of course, and thanks. Please don’t worry, I am just entertaining a conversation here.

@ Rick

Given the mess that ChatGPT spat out, something that understands the OS is an improvement.

This, 100% this, thank you.

It could be, as was noted with the Google searches, useful to aid new users – especially given that the system is notably different to most of the others. If it’s possible to ask natural language questions “how do I…” and get coherent responses, that will be a huge improvement over searching a plethora of websites and documentation

This is the plan. The discussion however is that “search engines” do “hallucinate” when they return results that are not pertinent to the question. The difference is just human perception developed towards them over the years. This is why it’s actually interesting poking Druck, he seems to have used google so much to have forgotten why Google became dominant, let’s have a glimpse of the past, shall we? Google became wildly adopted because it provided better results than Yahoo and Altavista in primis. Sounds vaguely familiar? Indeed, we (as a tech society) batling between which model returns better results in GenAI… Yup exactly the same, oh well now Druck knows why I am pocking him :)

Same for having ads enabled on my website, it’s not for money, is to analayse trends directly. If the number of views is the same or (as in my case) has grown over the years, while the ads display has diminished, then either wordpress is lying or more and more people adopted ad blockers. Google wanting to ban uBlock Origin is another evidence that probably wordpress is not lying too much ;)

[update]
As for the supposedly “complaining centric” culture. I live in the UK by long time, and have plenty of friends (although admitedly more musicians than tech folks, so maybe this may be biased by the complete different set of interests), most of the people I know don’t complain systematically TBH. However, there are a few in the RO community (lol) that oh boy if they can get the title of pro-complainers XD (oh and yes you mentioned the cultural thing previously).
[/update]

@ Stuart

Perhaps we should turn it all the way up to 11.

Boom!

I am actually waiting to see a nice, positive comment of yours for someone effort on here.

I’m sure your AI could hallucinate one up with the appropriate prompting.

In the mean time I’ll stick to giving out advice based on facts, whether it be on security issues or non obsolete versions of Python.

In the mean time I’ll stick to giving out advice based on facts, whether it be on security issues or non obsolete versions of Python.

Like letting people lower their Windows security to share files with RISC OS? Oh I see now, you simply haven’t got a clue. Sorry, I thought you were actually reading the “support” provided on this forum for people wanting to share files between Windows 10 and RO XD

to have forgotten why Google became dominant, let’s have a glimpse of the past, shall we? Google became wildly adopted because it provided better results than Yahoo and Altavista in primis.

Yahoo was crap, and Altavista became slow and full of adverts…And nobody remembered poor little Lycos.

I think peak Google was sometime in the 2012-2015 era. It’s been on a steady decline since, and perhaps the only reason it hasn’t been replaced is because the alternatives aren’t significantly better. This isn’t an Altavista→Google moment, it’s more 💩 versus 💩.

or non obsolete versions of Python.

Once upon a time, people actually gave a 💩 about backwards compatibility.

I ran into this just this weekend with my ESP32. My camera code won’t compile. A whole load of things have changed. I tried to build the current camera server code and it took several tries to fiddle with the settings to get the thing to flash correctly. The settings, note, that used to work. Only now it is saying it can’t detect the camera. Fair enough, it’s a new ESP32CAM board, maybe the camera is duff? I’ll need to try to find my old one.
But between that and my need to fix stuff when PHP gets updated (and things will break), I don’t so much want to hit the programmers responsible with a cattle prod so much as wire their testicles to a Tesla coil and plug that into the national grid.

[not to mention the whole Python 2 vs 3 thing]

This all says a lot about the lack of planning, lack of foresight, and lack of respect for users that is increasingly endemic in the software industry.

Oh, wait, I’m whinging again.
Bad Rick, go sit in the corner…

Just to add in my £0.02 worth…

On my desktop and laptop I use Firefox (the 64-bit Windows build).

On my mobile I use Firefox for Android.

Both have uBlock Origin installed as soon as the browser itself has finished installing.

wire their testicles to a Tesla coil and plug that into the national grid

Hey, that costs extra!

My camera code won’t compile. A whole load of things have changed

Might I recommend a VM (or a number thereof) for each development environment to keep them safe for helpful updates?