OWB Origyn Web Browser - RISC OS

Progress on memory , but still crashes after a while.

Pretty amazing, that!

Just thinking out loud, but were the Otter and Quipzilla ports not based on Qt5 and WebKit, so their sources might give you some pointers on memory management and fonts?

Works but slow.. gimmie JIT.

Google doesn’t crash. I have not been able to build curl with https :(

After squinting at the text (Bromaco? Dromaco?), I found Dromaeo. Just for reference, my Mac is around 1000x as fast as the screenshot above. But hopefully most of us don’t need to use intensive JavaScript for general browsing (although I’m sure that there must be sites out there that abuse it for what should be simple layout).

(although I’m sure that there must be sites out there that abuse it for what should be simple layout)

Haha, The “simple layout” days are long gone.

Try Google Docs on a PC. It’s an entire word processor in a browser tab…

Works but slow.

Is that slow in general on random pages or specifically on the Dromaeo test page?
I ask because I ran that page (slowly) on Firefox 63.0.3 as it was, unknown to me, downloading FF64.0 and that process seems to eat memory and makes the browser dog slow unless you have a lot.
So, perhaps some part of the performance problem is down to limited memory for the browser application.

limited memory for the browser application.

For reference 2GB of memory to run Win5 64bit and Firefox isn’t a lot. It struggles after about 15 tabs.

Speed is one thing. Stability is another.
So, this is an achievement :)

I hope to try test builds soon.

Can someone test that javascript test page in Otter (riscos)?

From a Titanium.
It is a bit illegible directly, export or save the jpeg to see what actually happened.

OK! So Otter is faster… but I have logging on to file, and it prints out a lot.
I still prefers a browser that feels responsive , otter doesn’t on my ARMX6.

Otter has JIT enabled for JS, so that would probably explain the JS performance. IIRC that was a big thing that Colin worked on getting going when he was working on the port, trying to stabilise it and make it possible.

JUst a sneak update in this thread , posting from owb/riscos!

Nice, how long before a release?

Fantastic :)

Months later… What about a test release?
I definitively need an alternative to NetSurf :)

We’re still working on it. Big project – very time consuming.

The first people to get their hands on this will be RISC OS Developments investors – the people who footed the bill (it is only right that they should have early access), then it will become more public as it progresses.

I know not practical for David, but for others, come to Wakefield and see progress on this and Iris!

Summary: for the common mortals, no front-end to Otter and no new web browser.
OK :|

no new web browser.

Yet.

Summary: for the common mortals

All seems reasonable to me. Shell out cash, get early copy of code spot the bugs, watch the relief envy.
No, sensibly, they invested surely they are entitled to some small benefit?

OBrowser: 6 months after the announcement, no digital way to participate to the fundraising. Still no way to get it on Store. Of course, you’re free to keep some apps for you, but then don’t talk about them. Else it can generate a lot of frustration. For OWB, it was “soon”, then “perhaps mid-February”, and now “don’t hold your breath”. Frustration :)

Of course, you’re free to keep some apps for you, but then don’t talk about them.

I’m sitting on the same side of the fence as you David. I don’t have early access to the browser either, but the point remains – it’s a small benefit that they have and I don’t begrudge them that.

Well, you did get a properly open source OS out of it!

And to be fair, we have a number of overseas investors, so I’m really not sure what the complaint is. We’re pretty easy to get in touch with if you’re interested.

It is a fairly simple equation. Support the browser, the open source OS, and all the other work we’re doing/funding, and you’ll have early access to the browser work. Don’t, and you’ll have to wait, but you’ll still get it FOR NOWT. Like the OS.

Hardly unreasonable?

But to be fair. even for investors, it’ll still be some time I suspect.

Well, you did get a properly open source OS out of it!

One of a list of things Andrew.

Hardly unreasonable?

Perfectly reasonable. What was that old political quote, ah yes: “You’ve never had it so good”
Yes there was more activity in Acorn days but how much of that was free?
People need to pause and think.

And to be fair, we have a number of overseas investors, so I’m really not sure what the complaint is. We’re pretty easy to get in touch with if you’re interested.

Not a complaint. More frustration about missed opportunities.

Today, it’s so easy to set-up some Internet fund raising. And even easier with Store. I do not criticize specifically R-Comp. I could say the same for Archive (very difficult to get oversea, because of lack of Paypal/CB support), for the coming WROCC Newsletter CD Issue 9 (available on the show, but will it be on Internet?). Etc.

Hardly unreasonable?

Absolutely not.

Once again, it’s not the offer that generate frustration, but the method :
- Example 1: I can remember that in the official communication, it was only possible to apply to the 40£ fundraising physically (London Show?). Please: in Store too!
- Example 2: To tease a product too early is possible, via medias (blogs, magazines, etc.). But when you tease something yourself, people expect a release… soon.

But to be fair. even for investors, it’ll still be some time I suspect.

I agree :)

And when I said “Summary: for the common mortals, no front-end to Otter and no new web browser.” it was of course some kind of provocation, to raise the fact that since it’ll will be long we should act as this thread do not exist, and so that OBrowser/OWB/Iris do not exist. Simply because for all of us, it’s true.

Well, you did get a properly open source OS out of it! […] It is a fairly simple equation. Support the browser, the open source OS […].

Well, this time provocation comes from you :) I think that everyone will agree on the fact that I’m (probably) a supporter of RISC OS.