A burnt-out case?
George T. Greenfield (154) 748 posts |
OK, the title line is a bit of a liberty: does anyone know if RISC OS always launches on the same core of a multicore CPU? And if so, does this adversely affect life expectancy of the chip? Or is there a wear-levelling mechanism in these chips that rotates core usage systematically? |
Dave Higton (1515) 3525 posts |
Wear-out mechanisms exist for very few semiconductor devices. OTTOMH, they are flash devices when being written (not when being read), LEDs, lasers, and highly stressed power transistors. Logic devices don’t have a wear-out mechansim AFAIK. Microprocessors have flash memory, but in the case we’re talking about, the flash is only being read. (You’d only write it if you were replacing the on-chip firmware – NOT to be confused with replacing the stuff on the SD card.) |
Rick Murray (539) 13840 posts |
Everything can, in theory, wear out. However, some people still use their ARM3 machines, some their RiscPCs, and some, even, their BBC era hardware.
In my case, I have an old under-laptop fan set up to suck air from the power brick and Pi and blow it towards the Vonets (keeping all that cooler), the Pi runs full tilt at the standard 900MHz and when idling steps down to 400MHz (gains a couple of extra degrees in the summer). It’s set to throttle at 50C. And it runs all the time. What ended the Pi1 was getting the Pi2, which has been running ever since. If anything on that goes, it’s going to be the SD card (where things like wear levelling are important) rather than a core. Keep it cool, keep it steady, you’ll be fine. |
David J. Ruck (33) 1635 posts |
I don’t end a Pi1 because I’ve got a Pi2, I just move the older one to ever more inhospitable locations. My original Pi 1B 256MB has spent the last few years in the shed, varying between an ambient of -5C and 65C, and along with the Galaxy S (1st gen) charger powering it, refuses to die. I’ve even had to put it’s official Pi WiFi dongle back on as newer one with the high gain antenna started to get unreliable after the roasting in the summer. |
Rick Murray (539) 13840 posts |
It’s no “ended” permanently. I didn’t hit it with a hammer. It’s still here, just currently unused.
The f…? Your shed is a portal to Antarctica?
WiFi stuff runs hot. What destroyed my original Vonets was a hot summer day (can’t MIPS devices throttle before cooking themselves?). |
George T. Greenfield (154) 748 posts |
So as far as ARM chips are concerned, the consensus seems to be that they are long-lived items even if situated in the climatic extremity that Druck is pleased to refer to as his shed. I’ve owned all 4 Pi models to date and only had reliability issues when radically overclocking (but the Pi 1 runs happily at 900Mhz, the Pi 2 at 1000 and the 4 at 1800Mhz). I only briefly used a case, on the Pi 3, but abandoned it in favour of unenclosed vertical VESA mounting on the back of the monitor for all models. The Pi 4 runs between 55 and 64 deg.C despite having a HAT and no active or passive cooling and is set to throttle at 70 – it hasn’t hit this to date, but the onset of summer may change that of course – we shall see. I have no experience of MIPS. |
Rick Murray (539) 13840 posts |
Outside the CPU, yes. But in the same bit of silicon. Because…
I agree, but somebody (Realtek, IIRC) has quite a line in reasonably capable MIPS SoCs with built in ethernet and WiFi. My 480p tilt and turn IPcam (the horribly insecure one) was also based around a MIPS SoC. Hmm, I think my Livebox’s WiFi interface is some sort of mini-PCI card with a MIPS SoC on it.
I would be surprised if it didn’t have some sort of temperature measurement. Whether or not the OS makes any use of it is another question.
I think in the case of the Vonets, it wasn’t the processor so much as the WiFi radio. I used to use a WiFi dongle 1 on the PC (it clashed with the ESP32 serial so I switched to passing the PC via the Vonets) and that dongle used to run really hot. 1 https://www.grosbill.com/4-selection_grosbill_cle_usb_wifi_n_300_mbps-129020-reseaux-carte_reseau_sans_fil |
David J. Ruck (33) 1635 posts |
The f…? Your shed is a portal to Antarctica? Ha! Oops, corrected it to -5C to +65C. More sauna than Antarctic cabin come the summer. |
Steve Pampling (1551) 8170 posts |
Oh, I thought maybe you had rented out some storage space to Pfizer. |