Got a 64MB or 256MB Kinetic?

Hi,
Further to an earlier request there’s now a 128MB Kinetic generously on loan to help adding support to RISC OS 5. If you have one of the other models perhaps you can help with either of the following questions:

Run this little BASIC program which reports how the memory map is arranged. Post the result here mentioning what memory you think is fitted. One volunteer with a 64MB and one with 256MB required.

Did you ever receive a flash upgrade (for the OS ROMs on the back of the Kinetic)? Do you still have the flash programmer tool? Castle think this was written in BASIC, but seem to have lost it in their archives.

Thanks in advance.

64MB info for you:

2000000 200000
20400000 1C00000
30000000 2000000
18000000 400000

This machine was donated, so I’ve no idea if it was flash upgraded – the OS is RO 4.04 (22-01-01). I’m not aware of a flash programmer tool either, its not on the HD at least.

64mb:
2000000 100000
20400000 1C00000
30000000 2000000
10000000 4000000
14000000 4000000
18000000 1000000
1C000000 1000000

256mb: 128mb:
2000000 100000
20400000 3C00000
30000000 4000000
10000000 4000000
14000000 4000000
18000000 1000000
1C000000 1000000

Same RPC running adjust, same Kinetic without flashrom.

That’s great info for the 64MB, it does look like the RAM is split into two banks in a consistent manner (with a 4MB hole punched out for a softloaded OS).

256mb:
2000000 100000
20400000 3C00000
30000000 4000000

Wouter, my maths says that’s 128MB on the Kinetic then 128MB+32MB+1MB on the motherboard. Is that supposed to be a 256MB Kinetic?

I’m not aware of a flash programmer tool either,

Logic suggests the flash got programmed somehow in the first place. The tool must exist somewhere!

Sprow, you are right, it is 128MB. The 256MB ram I tested didn’t work. I removed the wrong numbers after I had some problems posting.

Was such tool ever needed outside CTL? Was there an after-sale update from 4.03 to 4.04?

Hi

Not sure which Kinetic I have but it is running 6.20 and starts up with amwssaging saying 138MB. It has 2MB Vram and Vpod installed plus some RAM on the motherboard so assume it is 128MB given the figues. It is not one that has the ROM’s as flash as they need to go in the motherboard and it has Adjust ones , aka 4.39, which replaced the 4.03 ones I had with the Kinetic card.

20600000 1A00000
30000000 2000000
10000000 4000000
18000000 1000000

Hope it helps

Doug

@ Doug: 64MB on the Kinetic then 64MB+16MB+0MB with a 6MB hole punched out for a softloaded OS ?

I don’t think the flash programmer every escaped Castle. There was never any upgrade so need.
4.03 never appeared in flash. All flash use 4.04.
You could try contacting Pete Wild, he designed it I believe!

I don’t think the flash programmer every escaped Castle. You could try contacting Pete Wild, he designed it I believe!

ROOL have been badgering the above since the beginning of January. We got more technical information in the last 22 hours here than from the original designers in the last 22 days!

Ultimately, the flash is just flash, it’s mapped at physical address 0, the chip numbers can be read off the top, and a programmer tool written. But why waste that time when the thing already exists – somewhere.

I have a 14 page programmers reference manual for Stealth 1 processor card.
Author : Peter Wild for Castle
Date 20/05/00

This is a full hardware and software description of the Kinetic card.
(SA-110, 8Mb Flash, 128Mb SDRAM)

I can send you a copy by email.

You can send me a copy: jon at jaspp dot org dot uk

If its a scan set, I’ll create a PDF from it.

the word file (zipped) has been sent to you.

All you Kinetic owners out there will be pleased to hear that the latest IOMD ROM should now have Kinetic support. I’ve only been able to test it on a 128MB card myself, but it should work on 64MB & 256MB cards as well. Thanks to everyone who helped make this possible!

All you Kinetic owners out there will be pleased to hear that the latest IOMD ROM should now have Kinetic support.

The latest, March 29th and 30th, IOMD ROMS appear to cause a problem with the boot on RPCEmu. All seems well until the desktop elements where repeated Task manager errors pop up. No errors logged (by Harinizumi, if run) in the boot before the desktop call.
Running RPCEmu 0.8.10, but the same errors seem to occur with 0.8.9