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But how do you shut down riscos? never used it before.

Middle click mouse on the Raspberry icon, or if this is not a Raspberry Pi the right most icon on the iconbar. then left click on ‘Shutdown’.

Or shift-Ctrl-F12.

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Thank you, did actually start using brain and used the guide to find the shift-Ctrl-F12 way but had only tried a left or right click on the raspberry! I’ll try not to ask too many stupid questions in the future. Started machine code programming on a Commodore C16 then through several other types to the early PC’s but have never used Risc OS before or actually done any coding for about 15 years. Hopefully I should be afford to retire soon (only 69) and need something to keep brain active (not an auspicious start though)

Thank you, did actually start using brain and used the guide to find the shift-Ctrl-F12 way but had only tried a left or right click on the raspberry!

Quite common to use the buttons you’re used to.
Many moons ago, when Windows first made it’s appearance in a half usable form¹ I was so used to using all three buttons in RISC OS that windows felt crippled and the Mac was best ignored.

Regular RO users get used to context based menus all over.

¹ pre-3.0 is best treated as a sample from the litter-tray

need something to keep brain active

I didn’t think it an unreasonable question at all, RISC OS is easy but only when one knows how, as someone once said.

I can vouch for the efficacy of RISC OS as a retirement interest. Enjoy and ask away.

At the moment I test and commission lifts for a living, on Elevator Shack on guy has as his signature “All faults are easy once you’ve found them”. Mind you finding them can take anything from 10 minutes to 10 hours.

that windows felt crippled and the Mac was best ignored.

As a person who has fiddled with an iMac (what a piece of ….) and uses Windows a lot……nothing’s changed.

pre-3.0 is best treated as a sample from the litter-tray

One could, of course, say much the same thing about RISC OS. :-P

As a person who has fiddled with an iMac (what a piece of ….) and uses Windows a lot……nothing’s changed.

I disagree, the Mac GUI has improved somewhat from those days and the Windows GUI has improved massively, the RO GUI has improved visually. The point being the first two still don’t make proper full use of the mouse.
Bear in mind Mac OS 9 is generations on from the version I suffered (only person who knew GUI stuff, guess who got to try and fix things)

pre-3.0 is best treated as a sample from the litter-tray

One could, of course, say much the same thing about RISC OS. :-P

Being old enough and working in IT¹ all that time the choice between using windows or stapling your hand was a coin toss.
3.1 was sort of usable despite it’s feeling of crippledness.

¹ Say “ICT” and die, horribly..

A feature of RISC OS that I sometimes find very convenient is that you can enter the pathname of a file or directory into a text editor by SHIFT-dragging its icon into the text. It is a sensible way of minimizing typographic errors. I am trying to learn how to use Raspbian, but my knowledge of how Linux works is as yet too limited for me to know whether there is any way of implementing this RISC OS feature in a Linux GUI. I guess one has to use cut-n-paste, a method that I hold to be more clumsy and less friendly than drag-n-drop.

Say “ICT” and die, horribly..

The helpdesk at work is officially the “ICT Operations Service Desk”. Fortunately everyone just says “helpdesk”!

I disagree, the Mac GUI has improved somewhat from those days

In my opinion it gradually improved up to version 10.6, then slowly dropped off again. I still find it better than Windows though!

The helpdesk at work is officially the “ICT Operations Service Desk”.

Nasty habit introduced by a former director¹ who being of scottish derivation probably had Inverness Caledonian Thistle in mind.

¹ Less than affectionally remembered by all.

[Warning: a lot of incoherent rubbish follows 😁]

The point being the first two still don’t make proper full use of the mouse.

Half assed implementation of drag and drop (can you drag files to application buttons on the task bar yet? I think Vista or 7 introduced dragging files to quick launch but that’s clumsier than just double clicking the file).

Did they ever sort of the annoyance of Explorer performing a move under some circumstances (same volume) or a copy otherwise; with shares seeming to move or copy at random (I always right button drag so I can specify directly).

Which leads me to note that nearly every other OS in the world seems to have a really retarded attitude to menus, barely supporting context sensitive types (other than generic copy paste) and preferring on screen menu bars. The later version of Ubuntu takes this to illogical extremes by going all MacOS and having the application menu at the top of the screen and the option to put menus at the top of the relevant window doesn’t work!

The whole sucks-like-hell concept of an application starting by opening a big blank document. And closing this window quits the application.

The general inability to give an application input focus without that window popping itself to the top of the stack.

Inconsistent internationalisation. In several of my VB files I wrote a basic clone of MsgTrans which loads messages according to tags. Translating into other languages is a lot simpler than pulling apart EXEs to hack .rc files…

This isn’t too say that RISC OS has no flaws of its own (don’t get me started on non-western-European language support!); but perhaps since RISC OS was one of the first proper home computer UIs, the designers had a long hard think about what the UI should be and how it should behave, as opposed to the other mainstream systems that appear to have a common ancestor (that wasn’t terribly well thought out).
Maybe the reason the RISC OS Wimp hasn’t changed much in a quarter century is because they mostly got the UI aspects right from the outset. Sure, there have been tweaks (RO3 gave us decent looking icons and 3.5 meant we could ditch the naff VDU font), but the basic behaviour was there right at the start.

So. I maintain that in terms of usability, Windows and Ubuntu are still less friendly than RISC OS. Successive versions of each have added lots of functionality (though in the case of Unity one could argue that; not to mention whatever nonsense Windows is using to start tasks (what the hell was Win 8???)) but the underlying behaviour of the UI system has changed little and it’s that underlying behaviour that is broken.
That’s what I’m referring to when I say nothing has changed. A lot of gloss and visual nonsense has been added and the APIs provided do more and more. But the mechanics of how the UI behaves…not so different today to antiquity.

Nasty habit introduced by a former director who being of scottish derivation probably had Inverness Caledonian Thistle in mind.

Reminded of a headmistress who stated that women should wear skirts, men trousers – unless they were of the “Scottish persuasion”, when they might wear kilts"

Sadly now long-deceased.

Sadly because she smoked herself to death. I stopped that some 33/34 years ago!

She was into IT/ICT etcetera, but didn’t live long enough to see it take off! I did have a grudging admiration for her!

I really liked the phrase “Scottish persuasion”!

Ca y est!

To balance the score a little:

• I’d really like an option to overlay the time on the switcher icon, with a menu choice to show a simple calendar. I know I can just load a program, but the app icon will appear whatever instead of in a consistent place. And Alarm is fugly.

• I really like Android 5’s multi item clipboard which is so much more flexible than a clipboard that can only remember one thing at a time.

• Safari in iOS7 is incapable of selecting text in a document with a writable (such as this page if you’ve logged in) once you have started writing in the writable. What an idiotic limitation. That’s not a “good thing” just something that is annoying me right now!

• Something that can be an annoyance in RISC OS is that DHCP negotiation is performed at boot and trying to invoke it later on pretty much doesn’t work. So my Pi has to have a fixed IP allocation as Pi startup is measured in seconds while the Livebox startup is measured in minutes.
  That said, RISC OS has no concept of WiFi so doesn’t need to be aware of the flakiness of it. The Vonets adapter just looks like a wired link that sometimes doesn’t respond.

• RISC OS has no Bluetooth. While some companies (hello Apple!) go out of their way to muck up file transfer, pretty much everything works with my Bluetooth headphones. Trust me, once you get used to privately listening to music without wires attached, you’ll wonder how you ever managed to put up with cords for so long.
  Yeah, I know, totally a first world problem… 😀

Hey – don’t you think that smiley looks like Koro-Sensei? 😀 I’m using Firefox on Android, but since pretty much everything shows emoji differently (one of my old phones showed puke green smilies), I’ve dropped a screenshot at http://i.imgur.com/AEXzK79.jpg

Safari in iOS7 is incapable of selecting text in a document with a writable (such as this page if you’ve logged in) once you have started writing in the writable. What an idiotic limitation. That’s not a “good thing” just something that is annoying me right now!

I’ve just tested this in iOS 10 and text is selectable… with a “but”. You need to tap “Done” to deactivate the input field first, otherwise it won’t select. I don’t have iOS 7 handy so can’t tell you whether the same workaround exists there.

since pretty much everything shows emoji differently

don’t get me started on non-western-European language support!

Case in point: I just tried feeding four different emoji fonts into TTF2f and only one of them converted, and even then it only gave me a handful of emoji.

Say “ICT” and die, horribly..

ICT. It’s right here on the desk in front of me – although it’s disappearing quite rapidly.

I’d really like an option to overlay the time on the switcher icon, with a menu choice to show a simple calendar.

You could try MiniTime which, although not exactly what you asked for, at least shows the time in a fixed place.

Using Tank’s Date module I could even add a simple calendar, assuming I can get past the difficulties I having with it.

I really like Android 5’s multi item clipboard which is so much more flexible than a clipboard that can only remember one thing at a time.

ClipMan allows something like this but it’s 26-bit and I can’t find the source (it was probably on the crashed Iyonix HD) which is a shame as the license allowed for changes to be made.

Good grief, a simple question seems to have started a big discussion! The real trouble with the varying flavours of OS’s is that the designers have designed what they think is the “best” way of doing things but everybody else (mostly) thinks they should be done differently. I’m familair with Windows, passable in Ubuntu and use an ipad. All of them drive me mad at some point or another because they don’t work the way I intuitivley expect. It’s the same with different makes of lift controllers, whats easy to do with one panel is difficult with another, any controller you’re not familiar with is a piece of ****!

ClipMan allows something like this but it’s 26-bit and I can’t find the source (it was probably on the crashed Iyonix HD) which is a shame as the license allowed for changes to be made.

The old madsoft site only seems to have partial capture by the wayback machine and that is not part of the capture so it looks like a reverse engineering job unless someone turns up a copy of the source.

Something that can be an annoyance in RISC OS is that DHCP negotiation is performed at boot and trying to invoke it later on pretty much doesn’t work. So my Pi has to have a fixed IP allocation as Pi startup is measured in seconds while the Livebox startup is measured in minutes.

I’ve written myself some software to monitor the network and DHCP status, and it will initiate (or re-initiate) DHCP once it detects that there’s a live network connection at the other end (or a cable has ben unplugged and replugged). I’m sure it’s probably not exactly 100% the right way of doing it, so remains unreleased I’m afraid.

I’m sure I remember Richard Brown showing me something that did that on his ARMX6 at a show at some point. Last year, I think.

I’m not sure if the software in question has ever been released or not (or if it’s included in the ARMX6 disc image).

I’m sure I remember Richard Brown showing me something that did that on his ARMX6 at a show at some point. Last year, I think.
I’m not sure if the software in question has ever been released or not (or if it’s included in the ARMX6 disc image).

I suspect that it was my software you saw on Richard’s machine, as I sent him a copy after a conversation about it.

Well it worked, that strikes me as being quite important! :)

But for some, it’s more important that it doesn’t work the right way, hence it remains unreleased and we’re waiting for RISC OS to do it properly instead.

and we’re waiting for RISC OS to do it properly instead.

Perhaps if you made the source available so that other people¹ could see the effect and make an alteration to the RO (open source) build then maybe something would work.

¹ Various people contribute and it all gets to be “ROOL” code.