Interestig YouTube review and comments

Hi just wondered what users think to this review of RISC OS on rPI and the comments/debate…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZiwP2l5Y4c

Question: There is an option to run exe files on this OS?

Pieter Linden replies: Technically it’s possible, but finding a linux version of that program is way easier, .exe files on a rpi is terrible. If you really want though, try DOSbox or the Windows 10 for the Pi. It does require some effort though…

He sounds like a teenager that has a vague inkling of a clue and thinks that makes him an expert. ;-)

BTW, doesn’t Linux on the Pi sort of suck? I recall Angstrom on the Beagle, as well as being about as typically broken as I’d expect Linux to be, rather struggled when given a task that involved effort.

Hi just wondered what users think to this review of RISC OS on rPI and the comments/debate…

You mean apart from noting that Mr. Linden has a blinkered view on life and can’t get his head round any OS that isn’t Linux? It was debated a little back at first release of that “review”¹
He even manages to refute his own claim about Linux being swift with a comment about RO booting in the blink of an eye. He really needs to stick to comparison of the two OS installs on the same hardware before claiming his favourite is swift.

The debate about the merits of shovelware is relevant in as much as the large user base has developers creating multiple applications to do the same thing. With so many around they can afford to re-invent the wheel.
I can’t help wondering how many could be ported to a faster OS though, should some developers drop in to the scene.

¹ Assassination attempt might be a better label

BTW, doesn’t Linux on the Pi sort of suck?

Not just on the Pi. Basically Linux developers have dropped comfortably into the same mindset as Windows developers with the assumption of bigger faster processors and more memory to make up for their increasingly sloppy programming.

Yes the stuff does things, but it requires more resource than it really ought to so anything other than a fast processor combined with lots of memory produces a system like a sloth on mogadon.

Rick did a response video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFFAwtkLbCM

Found original discussion thread here

BTW, doesn’t Linux on the Pi sort of suck?

I have two Rpi3s on my desk, one with RISC OS and one with Raspbian. The latter generally gets used for browsing websites, with Chrome, that do not work with NetSurf, and for printing (with CUPS). I use the RISC OS one for email, and for any actual programming. I realize that I am a beginner with Linux, only scratching the surface of how it can be used; but I am profoundly impressed by it. The community behind it is huge by RISC OS standards, and though documentation can sometimes be patchy it is usually possible to google it. Installing and updating software with apt-get works like a dream. Wifi, bluetooth, watching videos, listening to music, hardware acceleration for graphics, … – it all just works. I will always be a RISC OS lover, but I am getting to love Linux too.

Installing and updating software with apt-get works like a dream.

Not always. Believe me, sometimes you feel like you have to have a post-graduate qualification in geek to get the selected app working.
OK, installing FreeRADIUS with an integration to do dot1x authentication using Active Directory as the authentication oracle¹ with MAC auth fallback and adding a WebMin based system for viewing logs and adding MAC addresses² isn’t quite standard fare but the first time round it was a long process (much note taking too)

¹ Now that was irritating, the documentation on how to do that with FreeRADIUS v2 appeared on the web site about 3 months after I figured out how to do it.
² Don’t look for the webmin module, it’s not on the net. The nearest you will find is the Citron module which is antique among other issues.

Well it did make me laugh and I fell for the bait, it’s an old video.

Some of the comments below the video are classic and made me laugh out loud.

Here’s two of them.

• this is like reviewing a motorbike and complaining it doesn’t have four wheels
• It’s more like reviewing a motorbike, then saying it’s rubbish because there aren’t any pedals.

WebMin based system for viewing logs

I wrote a script that emailed the new logs to me at midnight. I read them on the train on the way to work. Never got on with webmin and it scared me from a security standpoint as it was another point of attack.

this is like reviewing a motorbike and complaining it doesn’t have four wheels

So true. The video is poorly done. You want to try a new OS, but you complain that it’s not like any of the others. Hard to understand.

Never got on with webmin and it scared me from a security standpoint as it was another point of attack.

Yeah, I’d be pretty reluctant to expose it outside of a small part of the LAN, certainly not beyond the firewalls.

I guess it is just as well he took a pretty instant disliking to RISC OS or else we’d surely have a longer equally naff video highlighting everything that RISC OS doesn’t do like Linux does, as if Linux is The One True Way and everything else is, to quote him, “sh*tty”.
Ho hum. Whatever.

as if Linux is The One True Way

What I hate about that statement is I used to be one of them. That being said, I’m pretty sure I was being childish because I couldn’t afford licenses.

Rick did a response video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFFAwtkLbCM

Here’s my response video ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbc8TWNlBUk

Perhaps Eric’s videos are also worth watching. IMHO the following demo around the 5:43 mark, is worth seeing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhgsK4LzG0s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbc8TWNlBUk

Cor! I remember Dixons. xD

I fear an Ad from 1991 might not answer the “not fit for 2015” attitude in the video.

I fear an Ad from 1991 might not answer the “not fit for 2015” attitude in the video.

Perhaps this one then ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYQhw4_6s7A – skip to 1:11

Perhaps this one then

I got all excited then, and it ended 13 seconds in. I suppose at least it wasn’t negative.

It would be great to see replay3 developed for the latest machines.

Do we have any Replay sources to start with?

Aside: Why do people in space always have lights in their helmets that light up their faces? Shouldn’t space suit lights have lights that point forwards instead of camera-friendly lights for facial reaction shots? [even Passengers made this mistake, among hundreds of others]

It would be great to see replay3 developed for the latest machines.

Bump, Bump, Bump,…

Seeing it made available to new machines and developed as a container for video, as !Omniclient is for networking would be amazing!!!

Do we have any Replay sources to start with?

Let’s hope so!

Do we have any Replay sources to start with?

It looks as if the question has come up before in the following thread Acorn Replay

There used be a saying about RISC OS that it could do everything, but the kitchen sink!

Well the RISC PC could do everything including the kitchen sink! :D

Picture source: (with a close up of the kitchen sink and extra detail!) http://www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers/html/rocket.html

Meh, forget the sink, the pizza oven is more useful. ;-)

Just think of the kitchen sink RISC PC if you had a leak?

…just like a corroded battery.